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re: The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power S1, Episode 3 Thread | Amazon | Available Now
Posted on 9/10/22 at 11:49 am to Esquire
Posted on 9/10/22 at 11:49 am to Esquire
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I swear they end every scene like it’s the end of the episode. Fade to black then you realize it’s only 15 mins in
Have nothing to back it up, but I get the sense there was likely a lot of resource guarding from Amazon, VFX studios, art department, directors, with making sure their full depth and breadth of the money and work spent shows up on screen.
Which, it does. It looks absolutely stunning at times and head and shoulders above anything else ever done on TV. But the excessive lingering in scenes, the seeming hesitation to trim things down that maybe don’t work perfectly at current length, the indulgent shots every few minutes. All in a show already introducing and trying to balance a bunch of concurrent storylines. I think it just hurts pacing on the margins and so the show sometimes feels disjointed or like it’s losing momentum.
That said, it’s still a solid show I want to see through to the end.
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Posted on 9/10/22 at 12:24 pm to BluegrassBelle
I’m still trying very hard to like the show. Positives are that Numenor looks great and the characters there will probably have good storylines
On the other hand Galadriel continues to disappoint mightily. The dialogue between her and the court in Numenor when they first arrived was so forced and cringe. It’s like she is incapable of having a discussion with anyone and acts like a 16 year old brat.
The harfoots are simply terrible. The biggest thing we are to care about with them is their stupid primitive migration? Why is this garbage included in this storyline? The song of them marching along to “Nobody goes off trail - and nobody walks alone!” Over and over and over again was maybe the worst scene of anything ever produced for Tolkien related works.
On the other hand Galadriel continues to disappoint mightily. The dialogue between her and the court in Numenor when they first arrived was so forced and cringe. It’s like she is incapable of having a discussion with anyone and acts like a 16 year old brat.
The harfoots are simply terrible. The biggest thing we are to care about with them is their stupid primitive migration? Why is this garbage included in this storyline? The song of them marching along to “Nobody goes off trail - and nobody walks alone!” Over and over and over again was maybe the worst scene of anything ever produced for Tolkien related works.
This post was edited on 9/10/22 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 9/10/22 at 12:32 pm to OBReb6
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It’s like she is incapable of having a discussion with anyone and acts like a 16 year old brat.
That’s by design….That’s her character at this point. This is not supposed to be the ethereal fully matured version from the films. This is younger, more reckless, less mature, angrier, and almost blinded by her pursuit Galadrial.
This post was edited on 9/10/22 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 9/10/22 at 12:34 pm to Bronc
I realize that and I am complaining about it. There is no excuse for a Noldor elf to lack maturity to the degree that she needs her lowly southlands man companion to save her from her own tongue.
No matter how prideful she may be, we are also to believe she is stupid as well?
No matter how prideful she may be, we are also to believe she is stupid as well?
Posted on 9/10/22 at 12:39 pm to OBReb6
I do Think Galadriel is supposed to come across prideful and arrogant, and NOT like the Galadriel in the LOTR. I assume Her character arc will be to get there but we are in episode 3. It’s not gonna happen in the first 3 episodes.
I doubt the harfoot migration is going to be the storyline. That would be like hanging out in the Shire the entire Time while Frodo has an edge tire. Nori is gonna bounce with the Stranger at some point.
I doubt the harfoot migration is going to be the storyline. That would be like hanging out in the Shire the entire Time while Frodo has an edge tire. Nori is gonna bounce with the Stranger at some point.
Posted on 9/10/22 at 12:42 pm to OBReb6
Some of these complaints make my head spin though.
Is she just to be a Mary Sue, this fully formed woman of perfect wisdom and tongue and feat that has no real critical flaws on her journey this early? My guess is the complaints would be even louder….and the show pretty boring
Pride and arrogance can often manifest in stupid actions, yes. And she is at times both.
Ironically the show also addressed this an episode earlier with Elrond and Duran, and it was probably the most succinct scene in the show
It’s when Durin yells at Elrond about missing his life. The scene serves to show the differences between how the two define their lives; Dwarves, define themselves based on their familial connections, so for Elrond to miss those major events is to Durin, as he says, literally missing his entire life. However for Elves, as Elrond shows, they do not think of lives in terms of events or time, and such time passing feels but like a brief blink to them. It’s an important theme that sets the basis for these two races to reconcile. And it’s an interesting theme to apply to life in general. also establishing that just because someone has lived for 50 or 5000 years does not mean that they have acquired any wisdom or accomplished any deeds of value.
Is she just to be a Mary Sue, this fully formed woman of perfect wisdom and tongue and feat that has no real critical flaws on her journey this early? My guess is the complaints would be even louder….and the show pretty boring
Pride and arrogance can often manifest in stupid actions, yes. And she is at times both.
Ironically the show also addressed this an episode earlier with Elrond and Duran, and it was probably the most succinct scene in the show
It’s when Durin yells at Elrond about missing his life. The scene serves to show the differences between how the two define their lives; Dwarves, define themselves based on their familial connections, so for Elrond to miss those major events is to Durin, as he says, literally missing his entire life. However for Elves, as Elrond shows, they do not think of lives in terms of events or time, and such time passing feels but like a brief blink to them. It’s an important theme that sets the basis for these two races to reconcile. And it’s an interesting theme to apply to life in general. also establishing that just because someone has lived for 50 or 5000 years does not mean that they have acquired any wisdom or accomplished any deeds of value.
Posted on 9/10/22 at 12:46 pm to OMLandshark
You don’t watch the show so literally you can’t discuss it.
It doesn’t even occurs to you that is an issue here.
It doesn’t even occurs to you that is an issue here.
Posted on 9/10/22 at 12:51 pm to Bronc
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It’s when Durin yells at Elrond about missing his life. The scene serves to show the differences between how the two define their lives; Dwarves, define themselves based on their familial connections, so for Elrond to miss those major events is to Durin, as he says, literally missing his entire life.
That scene made a good point, but still had flaws. Durin specifically mentions it being 20 years, but keep in mind dwarves aren’t like men with their lifespans. IIRC they live 500 years or so. The scene made a good point but saying 20 years was dumb.
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And it’s an interesting theme to apply to life in general. also establishing that just because someone has lived for 50 or 5000 years does not mean that they have acquired any wisdom or accomplished any deeds of value
But we are talking about Galadriel, who has been around since the first awakening. The commander of the northern armies and has seen the whole world, not some ignorant shut in.
ETA I can get behind her being prideful and ambitious. What I don’t understand is her putting a unnecessary damper on her every action because she’s unwilling to cooperate with anyone. We should believe someone of such esteem, even if having selfish ambitions, would be cunning and manipulative to get what she wants quickly and efficiently.
This post was edited on 9/10/22 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 9/10/22 at 1:03 pm to OBReb6
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That scene made a good point, but still had flaws. Durin specifically mentions it being 20 years, but keep in mind dwarves aren’t like men with their lifespans. IIRC they live 500 years or so. The scene made a good point but saying 20 years was dumb
This feels like finding nits to pick a bit.
The 20 years highlights the passage of time and how the two perceive it. Elrond still missed his wedding and the birth of his children. That’s what the core contention is about there. About how elves don’t see missing things like that as wrong, but Elrond learns that to be a friend he needs to see from his friends perspective and realize how important life milestones are to dwarves(and men).
It just also happens to explain to the audience that elves don’t see time or age like humans. So applying logic like, well Y elf is X age, she/he MUST be more mature than that. And no, not always, cause for them time is different. And as Elrond himself demonstrated, elves are not always super dialed in empathetically to other races. Even he had much to learn.
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ETA I can get behind her being prideful and ambitious. What I don’t understand is her putting a unnecessary damper on her every action because she’s unwilling to cooperate with anyone. We should believe someone of such esteem, even if having selfish ambitions, would be cunning and manipulative to get what she wants quickly and efficiently.
She is established as having an almost righteous indignation. Even in Tolkien she is the only one that defiantly and steadfastly remains committed to the belief that Sauron’s evil remains a threat and must be banished.
In Numenor she is not wrong in what she said. The elves helped them and in turn the humans have built up ridiculous prejudices and hatred’s of her kind in response. This is not a Galadrial that yet understands how to politic the world of men in such a way. Just as Elrond, despite his perceived friendship with Durin, in his arrogance and sheltered understanding of other peoples, misjudged, mishandled, and had much he needed to learn still about the dwarves he wished to persuade and befriend
Frankly, I don’t really have a problem with it within the world that has been established I this adaptation. And given how so much of the character from Tolkien continued to evolve and change over his life, I think there is plenty of fair room for interpretation there
This post was edited on 9/10/22 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 9/10/22 at 1:05 pm to Bronc
I think The Pit Fight put the Mary Sue shite to rest.
Those elves just beat the shite out of a bunch of orcs with the chains they were shackled in.
And this are just some guys (relatively speaking)
Elves are just legit.
Those elves just beat the shite out of a bunch of orcs with the chains they were shackled in.
And this are just some guys (relatively speaking)
Elves are just legit.
This post was edited on 9/10/22 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 9/10/22 at 1:13 pm to OBReb6
Numenor looks fantastic and than it immediately feels like 2022 instead of tolkien world. We were right about everything.
They got a great actress to play Galadriel and is one of my favorite characters yet they are making her story ridiculous. Simple things that could make this show so much better.
The diversity in Numenor is so ridiculous
Can we get an explanation of what happened to the black Queen and others of her kind? Did Sauron or the orcs have a strategy to kill them all before the hobbit and lord of the rings?
They got a great actress to play Galadriel and is one of my favorite characters yet they are making her story ridiculous. Simple things that could make this show so much better.
The diversity in Numenor is so ridiculous
Can we get an explanation of what happened to the black Queen and others of her kind? Did Sauron or the orcs have a strategy to kill them all before the hobbit and lord of the rings?
Posted on 9/10/22 at 1:20 pm to CP3LSU25
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before the hobbit and lord of the rings?
You mean the two trilogies that the Tolkien Estate hates and the contractual language within the Amazon contract that is only for the appendices and certain unpublished work firmly states can not be overlapped?
Yeah, it’s called two separate adaptations of separate work
Did you also get baffled and demand answers and continuity explanations when the Joker showed up in the Dark Knight played by Heath Ledger even though the Joker was played by Jack Nicholson and killed by Michael Keaton in Batman 88?
Posted on 9/10/22 at 1:26 pm to Bronc
Can we get an explanation of what happened to the black Queen and others of her kind? Did Sauron or the orcs have a strategy to kill all the black people?
Posted on 9/10/22 at 1:31 pm to CP3LSU25
Word of wisdom CP3, when you keep playing stupid this hard, people are liable to start thinking you are actually retarded…
Posted on 9/10/22 at 1:33 pm to Bronc
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Bronc
Coming from a mentally retarded woke commie doesn’t mean anything.
This post was edited on 9/10/22 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 9/10/22 at 1:36 pm to delta_zulu
Posted on 9/10/22 at 1:39 pm to CP3LSU25
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Can we get an explanation of what happened to the black Queen and others of her kind? Did Sauron or the orcs have a strategy to kill them all before the hobbit and lord of the rings?
Sure
This is a different adaptation of this story than Jackson’s.
You’re mom drank while she was pregnant with you which is why you don’t get what that means.
Posted on 9/10/22 at 1:39 pm to Strannix
Bronc should be sacrificed for his white guilt
Posted on 9/10/22 at 1:41 pm to Bronc
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On a meta level, I also find it interesting how episode 3 heavily parallels the real-world prejudices going on with the show from fans wanting to gate keep other races from being cast in LOTR,
This delusion only exists in you and Sammy's head.
Posted on 9/10/22 at 1:42 pm to Turbeauxdog
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This delusion only exists in you and Sammy's head
These people are the parasites to society.
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