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re: The Last of Us | S1, Ep 9 Season Finale | NO GAME SPOILERS Thread
Posted on 3/13/23 at 3:42 pm to WestSideTiger
Posted on 3/13/23 at 3:42 pm to WestSideTiger
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He was so quick to kill a doctor (a brain surgeon at that)
Bookmarking this post.
This post was edited on 3/13/23 at 3:43 pm
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Posted on 3/13/23 at 3:46 pm to BluegrassBelle
Ok I'm not bowing out 
But, do you think even if she would have known, would she have went along with it? I personally do. I don't guess we would ever know unless they do some flashback of that scene but I just think she had what it takes to take that risk.
Probably so, wouldn't be the first time.
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I think the larger issue is that she (Ellie) may have not known that she was going to die.
But, do you think even if she would have known, would she have went along with it? I personally do. I don't guess we would ever know unless they do some flashback of that scene but I just think she had what it takes to take that risk.
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ultiple posters have held both sides of the argument here, so I think you're overreacting a bit on this one.
Probably so, wouldn't be the first time.
Posted on 3/13/23 at 3:49 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Edit: Looks like its back to a if you dislike anything about the show you're wrong and you shouldnt have any complaints thread. I admit, I was wrong, it's perfect, I will bow out.
this isn't really about the details or execution on the show, its more about the fact that you are saying that there are no more Fireflies, when clearly only a few of them were killed by Joel. And you are claiming that Ellie would have been totally cool with being killed in some experiment that likely wouldn't work, when there is no real indiciation that that is true.
Posted on 3/13/23 at 3:51 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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I guess she could travel all over with a bullet in her
She wouldn’t have to travel all over with a bullet in her. Remember they have radio to communicate with one another. She could have easily contacted another post via radio before eventually dying from her injuries.
That’s why Joel finished her off. She still poses a threat to him slowly dying of her injuries.
Posted on 3/13/23 at 3:51 pm to BluegrassBelle
I am in the camp where it is pretty clear Ellie did not understand the gravity of the situation. A prior event that also shows her naivety to this is when she tried to rub her blood on the kid's bite mark a few weeks ago thinking it would cure him. She thought the cure was in her blood.
Also even if they did tell her it was brain surgery (which they didn't), in the world she has grown up in she has probably never even heard of brain surgery or how risky and complicated it can be.
Also even if they did tell her it was brain surgery (which they didn't), in the world she has grown up in she has probably never even heard of brain surgery or how risky and complicated it can be.
Posted on 3/13/23 at 3:53 pm to etm512
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A prior event that also shows her naivety to this is when she tried to rub her blood on the kid's bite mark a few weeks ago thinking it would cure him. She thought the cure was in her blood.
This
Posted on 3/13/23 at 3:56 pm to Funky Tide 8
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this isn't really about the details or execution on the show, its more about the fact that you are saying that there are no more Fireflies, when clearly only a few of them were killed by Joel.
There were more fireflies where they were at other than the nurses? Honest question. That would change my thinking some.
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And you are claiming that Ellie would have been totally cool with being killed in some experiment that likely wouldn't work, when there is no real indiciation that that is true.
I'm not saying she was going to be jumping for joy ready to die, I'm saying that I think she would have still went on with the surgery even if she knew the risks/that there was little chance of survival. I agree that Marlene probably would have made her do regardless if Ellie agreed or not. Ellie not going through with the surgery even knowing the risks is more out of her character to me. That's not really a stretch saying that.
This post was edited on 3/13/23 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 3/13/23 at 3:58 pm to lsunurse
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She wouldn’t have to travel all over with a bullet in her. Remember they have radio to communicate with one another. She could have easily contacted another post via radio before eventually dying from her injuries.
Fair enough, and they had nurses there with medicine so she probably could have recovered.
Posted on 3/13/23 at 4:05 pm to etm512
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I am in the camp where it is pretty clear Ellie did not understand the gravity of the situation. A prior event that also shows her naivety to this is when she tried to rub her blood on the kid's bite mark a few weeks ago thinking it would cure him. She thought the cure was in her blood.
Also even if they did tell her it was brain surgery (which they didn't), in the world she has grown up in she has probably never even heard of brain surgery or how risky and complicated it can be.
This is a great point, and its apropos to some of the real-world, current controversies that are so prevalent these days. Ellie is a young teenager who doesn't even realize the consequences of what her young-brain wants, and she is even less suited instinctually due to the world she has grown up in. She hasn't learned things that are commonplace for a modern-day adolescent to know as common-sense.
And Joel knows this, and deeply cares about her, which is why he has killed a lot of folks to save her.
This post was edited on 3/13/23 at 11:17 pm
Posted on 3/13/23 at 4:05 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Ellie not going through with the surgery even knowing the risks is more out of her character to me.
I don’t think so. She is still just a kid. The giraffe scene moments before they are ambushed reminded us of that.
Posted on 3/13/23 at 5:13 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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But, do you think even if she would have known, would she have went along with it? I personally do. I don't guess we would ever know unless they do some flashback of that scene but I just think she had what it takes to take that risk.
I guess there's the possibility, but I don't feel like there was given a strong indication that she knew she would have to die to possibly save humanity. And I don't know that she would have known the gravity of if she did agree to it. She is still a kid, even if fricked up by the apocalypse.
But I do think if she did know that she would want to see Joel one last time. She knew at this point what he was like and how he would react if he wasn't allowed to see her if she did make that decision (and I don't think she did, I think the Fireflies made it for her).
Posted on 3/13/23 at 6:24 pm to WicKed WayZ
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The guy is a clown who clearly does not understand subtext and can’t read between the lines at all. Literally takes everything at face value. Everything is black and white
Yes assuming they are taking out her brain makes you smarter than me thinking it’s a dangerous surgery similar to removing a brain tumor.
I watched the scene back a few times. A couple people had the dialogue out of order to fit their perspective. If you follow how the scene plays out, I don’t know why it’s so hard to believe it’s brain surgery as opposed to entire brain removal.
The switchblade is a good point I hadn’t thought about.
Posted on 3/13/23 at 6:26 pm to lsunurse
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This. The surgeon held up the scalpel and said he wasn’t gonna let Ellie go. Joel shot him before he could hurt Ellie.
he wasn’t going to hurt Ellie. That’s not why he picked up the scalpel. You in here trying to show how smart you are and this might be the dumbest thing said in this thread.Posted on 3/13/23 at 6:50 pm to landrywasbeast30
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he wasn’t going to hurt Ellie.
Yeah. he was just going to kill her a little bit
Posted on 3/13/23 at 7:06 pm to landrywasbeast30
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wasn’t going to hurt Ellie. That’s not why he picked up the scalpel. You in here trying to show how smart you are and this might be the dumbest thing said in this thread.
Jesus man. The doctor grabs the scalpel, holds it up while saying “I won’t let you take her”
I don’t see how this is even a debate. It’s cut and dry
This post was edited on 3/13/23 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 3/13/23 at 7:35 pm to landrywasbeast30
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he wasn’t going to hurt Ellie. That’s not why he picked up the scalpel. You in here trying to show how smart you are and this might be the dumbest thing said in this thread.
He literally said I won’t let you take her.
What do you call operating on someone without their permission? A vacation? A nice nap?
Posted on 3/13/23 at 7:43 pm to landrywasbeast30
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don’t know why it’s so hard to believe it’s brain surgery as opposed to entire brain removal.
It’s a damn run down hospital running on a generator in a post apocalyptic world.
Please tell me how you think brain surgery….where your skull is sawed open and your brain exposed and cut into….. is going to ever be successfully performed in that scenario and the person lives after it?
Any brain surgery in the modern medical world is a pretty big deal and requires a lot of additional resources.
Posted on 3/13/23 at 8:57 pm to landrywasbeast30
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Don’t know how anyone could see it any other way.
Not everyone is smooth brained.
Posted on 3/13/23 at 8:58 pm to landrywasbeast30
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he wasn’t going to hurt Ellie. That’s not why he picked up the scalpel. You in here trying to show how smart you are and this might be the dumbest thing said in this thread.
Stop talking to yourself
Posted on 3/13/23 at 9:00 pm to landrywasbeast30
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he wasn’t going to hurt Ellie. That’s not why he picked up the scalpel. You in here trying to show how smart you are and this might be the dumbest thing said in this thread.
You are arguing with multiple people that have proven to be more reasonable and logical than you.
Either this is a decent troll, or you’re used parts.
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