re: The Force Awakens trailer confirmed; Official ingame thread

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OML,

I agree with everything you said, I don't have the energy to discuss all the ways they fricked Anakin in those prequels.

Both his relationship with The Emperor and with Obi-Wan.

Instead of a deeply conflicted master trained sharp cunning and ruthless badass to end all badasses who eventually chooses to side with the Emperor, a huge figure in his life, over his beloved teacher and mentor, we instead see a stupid lazy ignorant frick of a kid constantly berated by most of the Jedi more so Obi-Wan than anyone else and then easily tricked in the shittiest way possible by some dude he barley knows into betraying everything he never really loved at all.

frick those movies.

If you watch the prequels the entire dynamic of Obi-Wan and Anakins relationship and Vader's entire character are completely changed for the worse.

The scene where Vader strikes down Obi-Wan is no longer even meaningful. It's just pissed off punk Vader killing some douche bag he hasn't seen in years.

And Vader's entire speech and reveal and coming to grips with Luke and killing the Emperor is completely undermined and borderline doesn't even make sense after watching the prequels.

I told you I didn't want to have this discussion.

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Man I was about to go to sleep, and you just got me all pissed about the prequels again. Seriously, reading this pisses me off so much knowing how good they could have been. I can live with all the stupid shite they put in those movies. I can't live with how bad they fricked up Anakin's relationships with Obi Wan and Palpatine.

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As is the case with any movie, the book always goes into the story much deeper. I'm telling you, read the books. The movies only scratch the surface of the back story and they don't really do too good of a job doing that. The books on the other hand are awesome.

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In the words of Mr. Plinkett "Don't talk about them stupid video games, or novels, comic books or any of that fricking crap"

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They explain everything that happens in Episode IV - VI.

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Explain the quote I said:

"Obi Wan much thought as you did... You don't know the power of the Dark Side."

That conversation could have only happened when he turned to the Dark Side. All Obi Wan's responses were were "frick You".

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They explain not only what the Clone Wars were, but how they shaped the world that we see in in Episode IV- VI.

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Ummm, how? That the Storm Troopers were worthless clones? It kind of descimated it to me.

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They show how Anakin became Darth Vader and they show the true face of Palpatine as Darth Sidious.

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The first part of that sentence utterly fails, and the second part of it we saw in the original trilogy.

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Are they as good as the original trilogy? Not really, although they're still good and I say that as a guy who's been a HUGE Star Wars fan since I was about 7 years old when the original Star Wars was released back in 1977. But for you to really understand the whole Star Wars story, you've at least got to watch Episodes I - III. And like I said in an earlier post, I'd also take the time and read the books as well.

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I honestly think I understand it more from not watching the prequels. What was creative about the prequels? Did they do anything new with the Force? Aside from microscopic bacteria, no. One of my favorite series is Avatar: The Last Airbender, and each season they do radically different things with the series version of the Force, bending. Seriously, aside from the bacteria, did we learn anything new about the Force, especially when the Jedi are at their height?

And how uncreative of a headquarters do they have? Just a big stone building in the middle of a city planet? I thought the Jedi would have their own spiritual place that may be something akin to Asguard, and not just a generic building in the middle of the capital. Seriously, what did we really learn from the prequels other that then clones were generic troops against droids, and that Anakin was a pussy who hated his mentor?

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Read the books, especially Revenge of the Sith.

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You know what, I actually did. In fact I reread it within the past two weeks. Not all of it, just the Palpatine parts. I was just seeing if it was as retarded as I remembered it. Guess what: it was.

Palpatine tries to justify himself by saying the Jedi would try to kill him simply for being a Sith Lord.... Well, no shite. He says he's done nothing wrong, while if Anakin had the IQ above freezing point, he'd know he orchestrated a civil war to put himself into power which led to the deaths of at minimum millions of people (and if it were an actual crisis in this universe, trillions). Sorry, but the one Star Wars book I've read is incredible stupid, and it's the one you've encouraged me to read.

And please tell me why the frick I need to read a book to appreciate a movie? I don't use that excuse for the Lord of the Rings, which would probably have the best argument for it.

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Explain the quote I said:

"Obi Wan much thought as you did... You don't know the power of the Dark Side."

That conversation could have only happened when he turned to the Dark Side. All Obi Wan's responses were were "frick You".

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Go read the books. You'll see. I don't want to give away things here for someone who may want ot go read them. /

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They explain not only what the Clone Wars were, but how they shaped the world that we see in in Episode IV- VI.


Ummm, how? That the Storm Troopers were worthless clones? It kind of descimated it to me.

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If you can't see the importance of the Clone Wars to the Star Wars story, then there's no helping you. The Clone Wars is one of the pivotal elements to the whole story. Without it, nothing from any of the original movies happens. Once again, read the books and you'll understand.

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The first part of that sentence utterly fails, and the second part of it we saw in the original trilogy.

Are they as good as the original trilogy? Not really, although they're still good and I say that as a guy who's been a HUGE Star Wars fan since I was about 7 years old when the original Star Wars was released back in 1977. But for you to really understand the whole Star Wars story, you've at least got to watch Episodes I - III. And like I said in an earlier post, I'd also take the time and read the books as well.

I honestly think I understand it more from not watching the prequels. What was creative about the prequels? Did they do anything new with the Force? Aside from microscopic bacteria, no. One of my favorite series is Avatar: The Last Airbender, and each season they do radically different things with the series version of the Force, bending. Seriously, aside from the bacteria, did we learn anything new about the Force, especially when the Jedi are at their height?

And how uncreative of a headquarters do they have? Just a big stone building in the middle of a city planet? I thought the Jedi would have their own spiritual place that may be something akin to Asguard, and not just a generic building in the middle of the capital. Seriously, what did we really learn from the prequels other that then clones were generic troops against droids, and that Anakin was a pussy who hated his mentor?

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Wallow in your ignorance. A real Star Wars fans would want an better understanding of the story. Instead you're allowing your hate of some poor acting in the prequels to override your desire to know the full story. I tired to tell you that the books were great would answer a lot of your questions and give you a better overall understanding of the full Star Wars story. Instead you want to get your panties in a wad. Fine, don't read the books. Just sit over there and sulk.

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This is why they need to be remade. Remade in their entirety with the correct script and plot and backstories and relationship dynamics.

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Agree

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My sincere hope is this new trilogy knocks it out the fricking Park and rakes in money and they decide to remake the prequels next. And by remake, I mean completely rewrite, reboot, rescript and change basically everything.

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YES!!!!!

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I agree. To me this is where the prequel movies really fell short

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Well, this was the absolute point in telling them, so when you fall short on the reason they were told, then they should have never been made in the first place.

Wow, get a load of all the practical effects.

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I wouldn't have Vader choose the Emperor in the prequels at all. I'd have him consciously choose the dark side, and by the time his under the Emperor's tutelage, he'd despise him and simply agree to his teachings just for his power.

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If you'd have read the books, you'd realize what you just laid out was Anikin's long and winding path to the Dark Side.

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I don't think he should have made that choice in the prequels

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Choice might have been a bad choice of words on my part.

The scene in the movie where Anakin realizes that he has already made the choice for the dark side and that Obi-Wan will not go with him and that he now has to fight and try to kill his mentor and friend should've been a brutal realization.

I agree, he'd extend an offer for Obi-Wan to join him, Obi-Wan of course turns it down, Anakin desperately tries to make his old master see why this is the better side and Obi Wan full of regret and sympathy flicks his light saber on and says something like "I'm sorry I have failed you Anakin". And Anakin full of pain and anguish flicks his light saber on and says something back full of pride and ego and powerlust and pain and they have the inevitable fight.