re: The Force Awakens trailer confirmed; Official ingame thread

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The Star Wars Saga is George Lucas' vision.

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Too bad the best one was not a part of that vision.

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That includes the prequels. Sure there were missteps along the way, but those of you who want to act like the prequels never happened or you're not a true Star Wars fan if you accept the prequels are ridiculous. You can't ignore the first three acts in a story just because you didn't like them as much as you did the final three.

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I'm actually the true fan. The context lies in the subtleties. Like for instance when Luke tells Vader to come and escape with him, Vader's response was, "Obi Wan much thought as you did. You don't know the power of the dark side". That implies that Vader and Obi Wan had a discussion about this when Obi Wan offered him mercy and to help him. In the prequels all Obi Wan does is insult him non-stop, especially after he acknowledges he goes to the dark side. And then you have Vader's regret on it being too late for him implies he wish he had taken up Obi Wan's offer before, but he no longer has the option. That's a very deep scene between Vader and Luke, and the prequels don't emphasize it at all.

The biggest frick-up in the prequels is Obi Wan and Anakin's relationship. They clearly weren't friends and Obi Wan was entirely forced to train him. No way Obi Wan would be comfortable or happy talking about the Anakin we knew from the films. Anakin should have been more Magneto meets Michael Corleone meets Macbeth. Instead he was just a whinny bitch that Obi Wan constantly treated as a child. This was not the character we were implied in the original trilogy.

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I'm not ignoring them. The question was in which order should they be watched. They should be watched in the order they were released.

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The whole thing with the prequels is that they're what sets up the original trilogy. They explain everything that happens in Episode IV - VI. They show how the republic fell and the Empire rose from it's ashes. They explain not only what the Clone Wars were, but how they shaped the world that we see in in Episode IV- VI. They show how Anakin became Darth Vader and they show the true face of Palpatine as Darth Sidious. Are they as good as the original trilogy? Not really, although they're still good and I say that as a guy who's been a HUGE Star Wars fan since I was about 7 years old when the original Star Wars was released back in 1977. But for you to really understand the whole Star Wars story, you've at least got to watch Episodes I - III. And like I said in an earlier post, I'd also take the time and read the books as well.

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I'm actually the true fan. The context lies in the subtleties. Like for instance when Luke tells Vader to come and escape with him, Vader's response was, "Obi Wan much thought as you did. You don't know the power of the dark side". That implies that Vader and Obi Wan had a discussion about this when Obi Wan offered him mercy and to help him. In the prequels all Obi Wan does is insult him non-stop, especially after he acknowledges he goes to the dark side. And then you have Vader's regret on it being too late for him implies he wish he had taken up Obi Wan's offer before, but he no longer has the option. That's a very deep scene between Vader and Luke, and the prequels don't emphasize it at all.

The biggest frick-up in the prequels is Obi Wan and Anakin's relationship. They clearly weren't friends and Obi Wan was entirely forced to train him. No way Obi Wan would be comfortable or happy talking about the Anakin we knew from the films. Anakin should have been more Magneto meets Michael Corleone meets Macbeth. Instead he was just a whinny bitch that Obi Wan constantly treated as a child. This was not the character we were implied in the original trilogy.

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Read the books. Trust me. You'll find answers there.

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Yep we learned he was a whiny dumbass who was tricked into turning to the dark side. Not slowly seduced by it's power, tricked. In 25 minutes, he goes from turning Palpatine in to killing younglings to entering the Vader suit.

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Once again. Read the books, especially Revenge of the Sith. You'll find out Ankin's path to the Dark Side was both long and truly terrible. I can't stress enough how much better the books are than the movies when it comes to the prequels. The books have so much more story and detail that you don't get from the movies.

OML,

I agree with everything you said, I don't have the energy to discuss all the ways they fricked Anakin in those prequels.

Both his relationship with The Emperor and with Obi-Wan.

Instead of a deeply conflicted master trained sharp cunning and ruthless badass to end all badasses who eventually chooses to side with the Emperor, a huge figure in his life, over his beloved teacher and mentor, we instead see a stupid lazy ignorant frick of a kid constantly berated by most of the Jedi more so Obi-Wan than anyone else and then easily tricked in the shittiest way possible by some dude he barley knows into betraying everything he never really loved at all.

frick those movies.

If you watch the prequels the entire dynamic of Obi-Wan and Anakins relationship and Vader's entire character are completely changed for the worse.

The scene where Vader strikes down Obi-Wan is no longer even meaningful. It's just pissed off punk Vader killing some douche bag he hasn't seen in years.

And Vader's entire speech and reveal and coming to grips with Luke and killing the Emperor is completely undermined and borderline doesn't even make sense after watching the prequels.

I told you I didn't want to have this discussion.

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The whole thing with the prequels is that they're what sets up the original trilogy. They explain everything that happens in Episode IV - VI. They show how the republic fell and the Empire rose from it's ashes. They explain not only what the Clone Wars were, but how they shaped the world that we see in in Episode IV- VI. They show how Anakin became Darth Vader and they show the true face of Palpatine as Darth Sidious. Are they as good as the original trilogy? Not really, although they're still good and I say that as a guy who's been a HUGE Star Wars fan since I was about 7 years old when the original Star Wars was released back in 1977. But for you to really understand the whole Star Wars story, you've at least got to watch Episodes I - III. And like I said in an earlier post, I'd also take the time and read the books as well.

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I've seen the prequels countless times. I know what they were intended to accomplish.

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This is the point. He wasn't seduced, he was tricked, and he's clearly very stupid, while Vader is clearly clever in the original trilogy.

It should have been much slower. Anakin should have always shown subtle signs that he was in it mostly for power. Anakin and Obi Wan should have had more of a friendship than a student/pupil relationship. Obi Wan would have been an incredibly reckless mentor over Anakin and overlook any flaws that his friend had until it was too late. He needed to legitimately failed him as a teacher, and since I didn't see him teaching Anakin anything, I can't see where he fricked up, aside from endlessly treating him like shite. But even then their relationship doesn't make sense.

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I'm telling you.... GO READ THE BOOKS. I can tell you're a Star Wars fan and I can promise you you'll love them and walk away wit ha better understanding of the whole Star Wars story. Reading the books from the prequels will give you a much better understanding of both Anakin's path to the Dark Side and his long relationship with Obi-Wan.

Hey Darth, I know you enjoyed the books, and that's cool dude, however, they don't replace or supplant the trilogy that was made by the prequels.

We can start a book reader v movie thread if you'd like.

I understand that the books have some insight. The fact remains that the movies sucked a-hole for many many reasons regardless of how much you can salvage from the books.

So if Rey IS Han and Leia's daughter why would they have sent her away/hidden that fact if the Empire was destroyed before having her? I guess that will be revealed in time.