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re: The Flash Season One Thread

Posted on 4/1/15 at 1:54 pm to
Posted by Bamatab
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Posted on 4/1/15 at 1:54 pm to
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I thought this also, but doesn't Wells/Thawne's computer Gideon(?) have access to future events?

Maybe, maybe not. For all we know, the computer may just have access to the events up to the point in time when it went with Thawne back in time.

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So it would know if Barry had returned an hour later.

Let's say that it could see past the point it went back in time, that doesn't mean that Thawne cares if Barry ever made it back. He could just be interested in the point when Barry (and Thawne) went back in time.

But I'll make a counterpoint to my statement. If Barry did make it back to the future, wouldn't he try and go back in time again to stop Thawne since he could probably figure out that Thawne never made it back?

With time travel, anything is possible.

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Now it would be crazy if the skeleton Joe finds in the previews where actually future Barry's!!!

That would be crazy, and it's definitely a possibility at this point.
Posted by TigerBait1127
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Posted on 4/1/15 at 2:42 pm to
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But I'll make a counterpoint to my statement. If Barry did make it back to the future, wouldn't he try and go back in time again to stop Thawne since he could probably figure out that Thawne never made it back? 


That time may not have passed yet. He could be in the future and the present
Posted by Bamatab
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Posted on 4/1/15 at 2:48 pm to
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That time may not have passed yet. He could be in the future and the present


Posted by LeonPhelps
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Posted on 4/1/15 at 3:36 pm to
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That would've been horrible on every level.


Why?
Posted by LeonPhelps
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Posted on 4/1/15 at 3:36 pm to
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This post was edited on 4/1/15 at 3:37 pm
Posted by Neauxla
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Posted on 4/1/15 at 3:39 pm to
Is Thawne supposed to be a super genius? If not, Wells in some form has to be locked inside of him. How else would he have been able to build and know all that he knows regarding science and genetics, etc. Yeah, he's from the future but because he is from the future, does that mean he knows how to build/design/etc. things that do not exist for hundred of years or how the inner workings of genetics and physics?

It's not like I could go back 100 years and build some of the first modern machinery even though I'd be from the future.
Posted by Bamatab
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Posted on 4/1/15 at 4:03 pm to
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Is Thawne supposed to be a super genius? If not, Wells in some form has to be locked inside of him. How else would he have been able to build and know all that he knows regarding science and genetics, etc. Yeah, he's from the future but because he is from the future, does that mean he knows how to build/design/etc. things that do not exist for hundred of years or how the inner workings of genetics and physics?

It's not like I could go back 100 years and build some of the first modern machinery even though I'd be from the future.


Here is my post from one page over:

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In the comics, Thawne is from the distant future (like 25th century). He was genetically engineered to be extremely smart. He ended up becoming a scientist at the Flash Museum studying the Speed Force. He eventually got his hands on the cosmic treadmill, recreated the accident that gave Barry his powers, and traveled back in time to try and meet Barry. One of his nicknames in the comics is Professor Zoom (for good reason).

So yeah, he's smart enough to build the particle accelerator.
Posted by PsychTiger
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Posted on 4/1/15 at 4:16 pm to
It's not every day you get the chance to be condescending twice on the exact same topic with the exact same reply.
Posted by Bamatab
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 4/1/15 at 4:26 pm to
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It's not every day you get the chance to be condescending twice on the exact same topic with the exact same reply.



I really wasn't trying to be condescending (at least the first time I wasn't). But after going back and reading it, yeah I guess I was kind of being condescending.
This post was edited on 4/1/15 at 4:28 pm
Posted by More beer please
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:00 am to
Ok watched the episode and Im completely lost.
Posted by Bamatab
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:18 am to
What's got you lost?
Posted by More beer please
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:27 am to
Warning: Dont know the comics


Who killed Wells? Why? What is his importance? Where did he come from? Is the current day Wells the guy who killed him? Is that dude actually the reverse flash and not Wells? What happened with him getting stuck back in time?
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:27 am to
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That would've been horrible on every level.
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Why?


Having Wells/Zoom turn out to be a future Barry that had changed to the point of becoming a cold-hearted killer would have destroyed the present day Barry character for the viewers. He'd no longer be the hero that we can count on, he'd be the guy who is a hero for now, but could turn to being a murderous villain under the right circumstances.

It's like the Lost in Space film taking the character of Will Robinson and showing his future where he's a crazed, lunatic lackey of Dr. Smith. It taints the character because we now know that there is a possible lunatic inside of him.

It's bad enough that they took the character of Barry Allen, who was one of the few superheroes who took on the job not because of personal tragedy or because he was chosen by gods or aliens, but because he was a good and decent guy who realized immediately that his powers had to be used for good... took that character and forced a family tragedy into his origin, just to make him like the other heroes. I'd rather not have him as someone who is a hero and not a murderer, but only if things continue to go his way.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:32 am to
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Who killed Wells? Why? What is his importance? Where did he come from? Is the current day Wells the guy who killed him? Is that dude actually the reverse flash and not Wells? What happened with him getting stuck back in time?


Present day Wells has already revealed that he is Eobard Thawne, and that he is from the far future. We've now seen what Eobard Thawne looked like before he stole Wells' identity. So the Wells that we have known has never been Wells, he's been Thawne (genetically altered to look like Wells). The entire series has been about Thawne, posing as Wells, creating the Flash, in an attempt to steal speed from him so that Thawne can escape back to his future.
Posted by More beer please
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:41 am to
Ahh ok. So that is why he is so hell bent on Barry increasing his speed.

Have they delved into why Thawne needs the device in order to have his speed? If this whole thing was orchestrated for Barry to become the flash why didnt Thawne just make himself the flash?

Apparently I missed Wells explaining to sisco about what was up.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:46 am to
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Have they delved into why Thawne needs the device in order to have his speed? If this whole thing was orchestrated for Barry to become the flash why didnt Thawne just make himself the flash?


They haven't addressed it in the show, but you can see how the accident that made Barry the Flash had different results for every other meta-human. Even brothers, sitting side by side in an airplane, received different power levels from the accident. I think that only Barry was a sure bet to get the speed power required for time travel.
Posted by More beer please
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:58 am to
Yup that makes sense. The only way Thawne knew it had to be Barry was because he is from the future.

I did always wonder why Wells faked being in the wheelchair. I guess to try and put any doubt to rest that he could be the reverse flash.
Posted by JasonMason
Memphis
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:59 am to
What I thought was interesting was that Thawne said he had to speed up the invention of the particle accelerator. So does this mean by creating it years earlier and Barry becoming the flash earlier that all these metahumans were a result of Thawne changing the time line? Sort of like how we saw the consequences of Barry altering the time line.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 10:00 am
Posted by Bamatab
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 10:06 am to
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I did always wonder why Wells faked being in the wheelchair. I guess to try and put any doubt to rest that he could be the reverse flash.

My only gripe about him being in the wheelchair is if he is telling everyone that he was paralysed in that car wreck, how did the doctors not call him out on it. You know he went to the hospital that night, and I would believe that the doctors would've taken x-rays of his back. They should've been able to tell that he wasn't really paralysed.

I guess he could've doctored the x-ray images or bribed the doctors or something. But it still seems like a plothole to me.
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 10:08 am to
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My only gripe about him being in the wheelchair is if he is telling everyone that he was paralysed in that car wreck, how did the doctors not call him out on it. You know he went to the hospital that night, and I would believe that the doctors would've taken x-rays of his back. They should've been able to tell that he wasn't really paralysed.

I guess he could've doctored the x-ray images or bribed the doctors or something. But it still seems like a plothole to me.


Maybe in the transfer from wells, he did, in fact, inherit a broken back. The flash can heal, so one assumes that the reverse flash can also heal. Maybe he healed up, but it took a while? Am I reaching? Why, yes. Yes, I am.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 10:09 am
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