re: The Flash Season 2 Thread

That was another great episode.

The dad thing could've been handled a little better. I think if they'd vocalized his feelings about his son having a good thing going with his current family and Henry feeling too out of place it would've been better. But I'm not complaining. Henry really doesn't fit that well with the new crew. It'll be nice for him to pop in now and then, like they did last season.

Loooooooved the use of Atom Smasher, even if he was an evil version of Al Rothstein. (By the way, Rothstein was one of the "dead or missing" listed by Wells last year when he was listing off the people killed by the STAR Labs explosion. Nice that the first Earth 2 (or 3,4,5...) person that we see is an Earth 2 character from the comics.

I can't not smile when Firestorm is in action. It's the coolest effect, and Robbie Amell just looks like a superhero.

Jay fricking Garrick. I don't care that he's a little young for the part. This is going to be amazing.

Anybody else a little let down by that episode? Was expecting...more. I was looking forward to the "atom smasher", but he felt rushed and incomplete. Then they killed him off really abruptly.

Combine that with forcing his dad right back out of the picture, and Barry being perfectly ok with it after 2 or 3 minutes of screen time was stupid.

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3 flashes in the same episode!?

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Are you referencing that the actor who plays Barry's dad was the Flash in the 90s? Or something else....

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I thought the two guys that made the fire dude would become unstable if they were separated for too long.

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I think that was because they were forced together unwillingly. Things became smooth after they accepted it.

By the way, anyone else feel like they are trying to pigeon hole the professor character into becoming the new "mentor" figure on the show? I just doesn't fit him. Multiple times he had lines that felt awkward and forced.

Just didn't like the episode. Found the whole thing to be meh. Hopefully this season picks up.

no, actually i was talking about shipp (barry's dad) , Garrick and Barry.

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Minor Spoiler

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Very minor.

She appeared last season as that character.

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So since Eddie killed himself so that Eobard would never have existed does that mean the Eobard never killed Wells or Barry's mom??

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My take is that once history is changed, a new timeline splits off and progresses forward from that point. This means that in this "Eddie is dead" timeline, there will be no Eobard born in the future of THIS timeline to go back and kill Barry's mother.

Missed the very beginning of the episode but was pleased overall with Atom Smasher (although I thought the CGI for him growing was a little too stretchy, should have been more like the Hulk in the Ang Lee movie).

I was disappointed in the forced/rushed feel of the pushing out of Shipp's character (I had forgotten what a good actor he was). They should have kept him around for an episode or two to show him having difficulty adapting to his new life and/or Barry not concentrating on being the Flash due to worrying about his dad.

Jay Garrick for the mf WIN!!

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...traveling back in time causes way too many paradoxes for it to even be reasonably explained.



Imagine thousands of children being replaced by other children or parents not having a child at all because you interacted with their parents and caused their conception to be altered by a second.

shite like that.

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Two thoughts

No children were erased. New realities are created
by divergent time lines.
Or
A dreaded temporal wave wipes a portion of reality out of existence.

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I was thinking the same thing, but if this is the case, why was Barry's dad in prison? And why did Wells have to confess to the crime if he didn't do it?

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This is going to get confusing because the writers seem to be picking and choosing when to apply a given belief in outcomes of time travel.

1. One thought is that if someone travels to the past and changes it so that they are never born so they fade from existence the moment they change things (see: Looper or Back to the Future). Think of the timeline like it's the Highlander: there can be only one!



2. Another thought is that if someone travels to the past and changes it so that they are never born then a new timeline is created from that point. Since they are from the old timeline they just continue living in this new timeline. Any trip to the future would be to the future of this new timeline.

3. And a third thought is that if they change the timeline so that they aren't born, the timeline splits but being tied to the old timeline they return to find nothing has changed because they are still in the timeline they started in.

For the purposes of Barry's dad, they seem to have gone with Option 2 because the initial event of change was the death of Barry's mother.

Eoabard is born in timeline 1. He goes back in time in Timeline 1 to be a dick. He then goes farther back in Timeline1 to kill Barry's mom so Barry never becomes the Flash and thus can't stop Eobard's dickery. This killing of Barry's mom is a change in the timeline so it creates Timeline2.

In Timeline2 Eobard kills Wells and takes his place (which could be thought of as creating Timeline3 since it "speeds up" the time for Barry's accident to happen, but that's going to get into lots more confusion thanks to writer inconsistency).

When Eddie kills himself it creates Timeline3, this is the timeline where Eobard is never born. Since Eobard is from Timeline1, it doesn't hurt nor help him in any way because Eddie isn't technically his ancestor.

Good episode, but Arrow just blew it out the water.