re: The Dark Knight (The 2nd movie)

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TDKR, as epic as it was, almost put me to sleep for the middle two hours. It felt extremely forced. TDK gets a lot of crap for having 3 consecutive plots strung together in one movie but TDKR had one plot line that would've filled two hours but apparently needed 2 hours and 45 minutes to explain.

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Probably went to the midnight showing and felt like being condescending even though his bitch arse couldn't stay up past his bedtime

It probably fricked with him that the Joker set him free then put a gun to his own head.

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Never heard ANYONE compare hathaway to ledger.

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No, but reviews kept coming out about how she was absolutely incredible, stole every scene she was in, etc.

And I thought she was just okay. She did a good job, but I didn't walk away from this movie "impressed" at how great of a job she did. Not sure where that sentiment about her comes from..

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it was a 5 megaton atom bomb that had a 36 mile blast radius or some such BS.

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it had a 6 mile blast radius

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1) Character development was not in that movie.

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There was only 2 characters they really needed to develop.

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a) The "love" story between Dent and Rachel, was non-existant. When Rachel dies, you feel nothing for Dent, because they did not develop the relationship.

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You feel for Dent, because he loved Rachel even if the love wasn't completely returned due to her love of Wayne.

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b) The town "hating" batman. You get the idea, why they hate him, but Nolan does a shitty job of convincing you why. Not to mention the acting is pretty bad when anyone tries to express hate for Batman in that movie.

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when does the town hate batman in TDK? You're talking about the very end of the movie?

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c) Harvey Dent being convinced by the Joker to "bring chaos". Dent's motivation just seems childish. That one conversation with the Joker is enough to turn Dent into a bad guy, and forgive the joker? Then, he starts whining about what's "fair". Really bad character development. Also, 2 face was a pretty big character in the batman saga, yet he is on screen for maybe 20 minutes before he dies of a broken neck. Anti-climactic.

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he was falling apart before that, but this part irks me about the movie too

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2) BAD ACTING. Gylenhaal was awful. Eckhart wasn't that great, and Bale's performance was bad in that movie.

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TDKR would have been excellent if they had not tried to shovel a damn love story into it. Bruce randomly hooks up with Miranda, which is fine, but then says that they may be together after all this stuff is over. Uh... What? You just met this chick. In fact, the only thing you know about her is that she is "quite lovely."

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He hadn't just met Miranda. She had been on the board of Wayne Enterprises for at least three years and had worked closely with Bruce Wayne on the fusion reactor before he gave up on the project. And while I agree a "love story" was unnecessary, I think Bruce just succumbed to male instinct. Here he was with a hot chick who obviously liked him, he probably hasn't had sex in three years or more, and on top of all of that he just lost his company and all of his money. If a chick like that is so willing to give up her body to him with all of those circumstances stacked up against him, I'm not surprised he went for it.

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It's extremely difficult because you have to use your eyes and body language to convey everything about your performance.

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I get that its still "difficult" to act with just physical presence. All acting is hard to be believable, and I thought his physical presence was awesome. I expected that from him since I've seen him in Bronson.

But I'd imagine that on a scale of difficulty, having to worry about your voice and physical presence is harder than just doing one of them. Just a thought.

I told my buddy after the movie that they redid his voice to make it easier to understand. We also agreed that we still had a lot of trouble understanding him at times, and laughed about how hard it must have been before they redid it. I do credit the script though. It seems they foresaw that problem a bit. I could deduce what he said from the other characters in the scene with him most of the time.

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Eta: you can't use the personality of the comic book character to justify actions of a character in this "real" version. Cop out and a half

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No, it's not. He was portraying a character from fiction whose very essence and personality revolves around the coin. That's the whole point of his character. If you were adapting a novel would you change an important aspect of a character from that novel just because such a thing, at least in your opinion, wouldn't happen in real life? Would you rather have a scene like Batman Forever where Two-Face kept on flipping the coin until it landed on the result he wanted?

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you can when this "real" version of the character is still based on the comic book character. Since we going to argue "real" vs comics, should the Joker have worn makeup in real life? Would Harvey's face even burn like that in real life?

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Referring specifically to this argument..

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He didn't forgive the Joker; he flipped the coin to decide whether or not to kill him, as two-face does.

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Referring specifically to this argument..

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He didn't forgive the Joker; he flipped the coin to decide whether or not to kill him, as two-face does.

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He and Rachel had 50/50 shots at living. He lived, she died. He gave those same odds to the Joker, Batman, Maroni, and the cops.