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The Beach Boys • Disney+ Documentary
Posted on 6/7/24 at 10:59 am
Posted on 6/7/24 at 10:59 am
These Disney docs really take it easy on their subjects. Great music because, well, it's the Beach Boys. But they're pretty lenient with Brian's mental health and drug dependence issues. They also tend to elevate the talent of the band, as if Brian's status of "genius" was overstated.
They also try to paint The Beach Boys and The Beatles as equal rivals. It's funny that in Beatles documentaries the only mention of the Beach Boys is when Mike Love goes with the Beatles to study with the Maharishi in India. But in the Beach Boys stories they make it seem as if the Beach Boys were a real threat to the Beatles. I know Paul loved Pet Sounds, but I never thought of the two bands as being on similar levels.
They also try to paint The Beach Boys and The Beatles as equal rivals. It's funny that in Beatles documentaries the only mention of the Beach Boys is when Mike Love goes with the Beatles to study with the Maharishi in India. But in the Beach Boys stories they make it seem as if the Beach Boys were a real threat to the Beatles. I know Paul loved Pet Sounds, but I never thought of the two bands as being on similar levels.
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 11:56 am to Fewer Kilometers
Any mention of Dennis Wilson's friendship with Charles Manson and his family members who spent months at Wilson's house in California?
Or that the Beach Boys producer actually let Charlie record music at the home studio with Charlie hoping it was his entry into the recording industry....
Yeah, Brian was so strung out between drugs, alcohol and his mental health issues that the band actually fired him at one time.
It would not be the first time people have talked about Brian's genius. In the film "Echo In the Canyon" several of the people involved spoke of his genius as a composer, musician and technician. That included Tom Petty, Jackson Browne, John Sebastian, all talented musicians in their own right.
Or that the Beach Boys producer actually let Charlie record music at the home studio with Charlie hoping it was his entry into the recording industry....
Yeah, Brian was so strung out between drugs, alcohol and his mental health issues that the band actually fired him at one time.
It would not be the first time people have talked about Brian's genius. In the film "Echo In the Canyon" several of the people involved spoke of his genius as a composer, musician and technician. That included Tom Petty, Jackson Browne, John Sebastian, all talented musicians in their own right.
Posted on 6/7/24 at 12:17 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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They also try to paint The Beach Boys and The Beatles as equal rivals. It's funny that in Beatles documentaries the only mention of the Beach Boys is when Mike Love goes with the Beatles to study with the Maharishi in India. But in the Beach Boys stories they make it seem as if the Beach Boys were a real threat to the Beatles. I know Paul loved Pet Sounds, but I never thought of the two bands as being on similar levels.
This was all very before my time but I've always been under the impression they were similar bands that competed with each other. I think the progression from bubble gum pop sounds (I Want to Hold Your Hand, Surfing USA) to more mature interesting music. My guess is that the The Beach Boys having a longer career and the non Brian Wilson years of The Beach Boys diminishes them since The Beatles as a band ended so much sooner.
Also God Only Knows is probably the best song to come from either band and Paul McCartney called it his favorite song.
Posted on 6/7/24 at 12:23 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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They also tend to elevate the talent of the band, as if Brian's status of "genius" was overstated.
it’s beyond me but pretty much anyone who knows
music says that.
they talked about it a lot in the Laurel Canyon doc on Netflix (I think)
Posted on 6/7/24 at 12:48 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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They also try to paint The Beach Boys and The Beatles as equal rivals. It's funny that in Beatles documentaries the only mention of the Beach Boys is when Mike Love goes with the Beatles to study with the Maharishi in India. But in the Beach Boys stories they make it seem as if the Beach Boys were a real threat to the Beatles. I know Paul loved Pet Sounds, but I never thought of the two bands as being on similar levels.
The "rivalry"
Posted on 6/7/24 at 2:54 pm to gumbo2176
quote:Brief, but yes, they go into how Dennis met Manson, writing with him, Manson's song appearing as a Beach Boys B Side. Dennis isn't around to give his take, but I believe them when they say that Dennis was devastated by what followed his association with Manson.
Any mention of Dennis Wilson's friendship with Charles Manson and his family members who spent months at Wilson's house in California?
Or that the Beach Boys producer actually let Charlie record music at the home studio with Charlie hoping it was his entry into the recording industry....
Posted on 6/7/24 at 3:07 pm to TIGERSTORM
quote:Lindsey Buckingham is probably the best pro that they interview in the doc and he said something very important. The Beatles had a slow progression from Introducing The Beatles to Revolver. The Beach Boys put out their surfer music non-stop, then suddenly came out with Pet Sounds.
This was all very before my time but I've always been under the impression they were similar bands that competed with each other. I think the progression from bubble gum pop sounds (I Want to Hold Your Hand, Surfing USA) to more mature interesting music. My guess is that the The Beach Boys having a longer career and the non Brian Wilson years of The Beach Boys diminishes them since The Beatles as a band ended so much sooner.
Plus with Pet Sounds they're still appearing on TV in beach clothes and simultaneously putting out a greatest surfer hits compellation. The BB struggled through the late 60's trying to not be that surfer band until Endless Summer came out in the 70's and they turned back into the oldies act that we all know.
I know that the two bands were contemporaries (more so Brian Wilson and the Beatles), but the stuff about the Beach Boys being at a disadvantage because they were touring Australia when the Beatles invaded America... Like that had anything to do with the Beatles immediate succes... just seems like them trying to pump up their cred.
Posted on 6/7/24 at 3:13 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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Dennis isn't around to give his take, but I believe them when they say that Dennis was devastated by what followed his association with Manson.
A show I recently watched delved into it a bit more. Dennis, Terry Melcher, Candice Bergen (Melcher's girlfriend at the time) and the Beach Boys producer who recorded a couple of Manson's songs didn't want anything to do with the investigation that came about after Manson and his gang were booked for the murders.
They did their best to distance themselves from the whole thing and had the money and influence to do so.
Posted on 6/7/24 at 11:01 pm to gumbo2176
Watched it last week and enjoyed it a lot. But it definitely did downplay Brian’s genius a bit. I did like how it elevated Mike Love’s lyrical contributions. It’s nice to see that being a normal thing now since he got fricked over by his uncle for so long.
I thought it did a good job of providing information, but I would’ve liked to have seen more detail. And yeah they skipped completely over Brian’s mental health issues and acted like they were almost nonexistent. And I don’t think it even mentioned Eugene Landy’s name once.
But with the Beatles thing, there was 100% a “rivalry” of sorts. Brian Wilson and the Beatles themselves have all talked about that before. The whole “Pet Sounds led us to make Sgt. Pepper” thing is factual and fairly undisputed. and I believe Rubber Soul is what prompted Brian to get to work on Pet Sounds, right? It’s not so much that the BBs were rivals in terms of sales or anything, but moreso just musical contributions overall. And obviously the Beatles were more influential than pretty much anybody else (except for pioneers like maybe Chuck Berry and Buddy Holly).
One thing that stood out to me was how terribly Pet Sounds sold in the US. I had no idea it took it like 30+ years to even go platinum or whatever it was that they said.
I thought it did a good job of providing information, but I would’ve liked to have seen more detail. And yeah they skipped completely over Brian’s mental health issues and acted like they were almost nonexistent. And I don’t think it even mentioned Eugene Landy’s name once.
But with the Beatles thing, there was 100% a “rivalry” of sorts. Brian Wilson and the Beatles themselves have all talked about that before. The whole “Pet Sounds led us to make Sgt. Pepper” thing is factual and fairly undisputed. and I believe Rubber Soul is what prompted Brian to get to work on Pet Sounds, right? It’s not so much that the BBs were rivals in terms of sales or anything, but moreso just musical contributions overall. And obviously the Beatles were more influential than pretty much anybody else (except for pioneers like maybe Chuck Berry and Buddy Holly).
One thing that stood out to me was how terribly Pet Sounds sold in the US. I had no idea it took it like 30+ years to even go platinum or whatever it was that they said.
Posted on 6/7/24 at 11:12 pm to CocomoLSU
I would say it was an unintentional rivalry, and they inspired one another.
Here, There & Everywhere was inspired by Only God Knows.
Here, There & Everywhere was inspired by Only God Knows.
Posted on 6/7/24 at 11:15 pm to Fewer Kilometers
No band -- not even the Stones -- was a true "rival" of The Beatles
But the big difference between the Beatles & The BBs is the Fabs were able to shake their teenybopper lovable moptop image & transition into Dylanesque Serious Artists.
Despite LSD & long hair & hippie threads & psychedelic music & the Maharishi & even Charles Manson, the BBs never managed to do that.
But the big difference between the Beatles & The BBs is the Fabs were able to shake their teenybopper lovable moptop image & transition into Dylanesque Serious Artists.
Despite LSD & long hair & hippie threads & psychedelic music & the Maharishi & even Charles Manson, the BBs never managed to do that.
Posted on 6/7/24 at 11:24 pm to Kafka
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Despite LSD & long hair & hippie threads & psychedelic music & the Maharishi & even Charles Manson, the BBs never managed to do that.
I’m not sure if that’s totally true, or fair. They definitely got away from their poppy beach and car songs a good bit. Good Vibrations, Help Me Rhonda, Wouldn’t It Be Nice, Heroes and Villains, etc. toward the end of their main run they definitely broke away from the teeny bopper type of music.
Unless you are strictly talking about their actual style, in which yeah they kept the same sort of look mostly. This Disney doc touched on that a little bit as well. But I think musically it’s not fair to say they got stuck in the same box they were originally packaged in. Just my $0.02.
Posted on 6/7/24 at 11:32 pm to CocomoLSU
My comment was about their image and how they were perceived by the public; not really about their music at all
In a 1980s doc Bruce Johnston said that at one point in the late '60s, the Beach Boys seriously considered changing their name to "Beach"
People prefer to think Brian was their biggest problem post-'66, but it was actually their image.
In a 1980s doc Bruce Johnston said that at one point in the late '60s, the Beach Boys seriously considered changing their name to "Beach"
People prefer to think Brian was their biggest problem post-'66, but it was actually their image.
Posted on 6/8/24 at 2:45 pm to Kafka
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In a 1980s doc Bruce Johnston said that at one point in the late '60s, the Beach Boys seriously considered changing their name to "Beach"
They talk about that in this doc a little bit as well.
Posted on 6/8/24 at 5:52 pm to Kafka
Yes, and The Beatles pretty much exterminated their career.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 10:19 pm to CocomoLSU
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