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re: The American Revolution-Ken Burns
Posted on 12/8/25 at 1:06 pm to sledgehammer
Posted on 12/8/25 at 1:06 pm to sledgehammer
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Posted on 12/8/25 at 1:12 pm to VOR
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Yet he owned many slaves and fathered a child with one.
Liar.
There is no proof that Thomas Jefferson fathered a child with one of his slaves. None. The best evidence is it was his brother.
This post was edited on 12/8/25 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 12/8/25 at 5:49 pm to udtiger
quote:I’ve read a lot of books on Jefferson including the one I just finished by Gordon Wood called Friends Divided (won the Pulitzer Prize) where he describes Sally Hemings several times as Jefferson’s concubine. I’ve never read the first one that backs up your claim.
There is no proof that Thomas Jefferson fathered a child with one of his slaves
Sally Hemings was 14 when she arrived in Paris with Jefferson’s daughter and pregnant when she left. He was 46.
I do not wish to get into a back and forth. I’m just going to end it with that.
This post was edited on 12/8/25 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 12/8/25 at 6:12 pm to prostyleoffensetime
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Sounds like it’s going to be a bit of we stole our government system from the Iroquois to appease the SJW masses.
Its silly and thoroughly debunked, yet it is repeated in history classes all of the U.S.. The Iroquois did not have a "democracy". They had hereditary leadership that met to decide if they would team up to attack smaller tribes. The idea that the founders, who were classically educated, were not influenced by the Greeks, Romans, and British, is absurd.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 3:24 pm to udtiger
The Matt Walsh video is really worth the watch regarding what Ken Burns is doing in the American Revolution documentary. He does a great job explaining how Burns inserts stories that the viewer will of course assume is accurate, but in reality when examined, are not accurate.
From Walsh's video: Burns tells the story of Margaret Corbin who was the wife of a Pennsylvania soldier who was near her husband when he was killed in battle. She stepped in and continued firing the artillery. She was wounded in battle and would loose the use of her one of her arms.
Burns goes onto say that she became the first woman to receive a lifetime disability pension, but at half the rate. Here is where the viewer realizes the founding fathers were clearly misogynists who did not treat her fairly.
What really happened: In 1776 the Continental Congress passed a resolution that any commissioned officer, and private soldier who shall lose a limb in any engagement or be so disabled...shall receive one half monthly pay of what the soldier was being paid at the time for the rest of the soldiers life.
In other words she was compensated the same as the male soldiers who were actually officially in the military. Low and behold the founding fathers had not treated her differently.
From Walsh's video: Burns tells the story of Margaret Corbin who was the wife of a Pennsylvania soldier who was near her husband when he was killed in battle. She stepped in and continued firing the artillery. She was wounded in battle and would loose the use of her one of her arms.
Burns goes onto say that she became the first woman to receive a lifetime disability pension, but at half the rate. Here is where the viewer realizes the founding fathers were clearly misogynists who did not treat her fairly.
What really happened: In 1776 the Continental Congress passed a resolution that any commissioned officer, and private soldier who shall lose a limb in any engagement or be so disabled...shall receive one half monthly pay of what the soldier was being paid at the time for the rest of the soldiers life.
In other words she was compensated the same as the male soldiers who were actually officially in the military. Low and behold the founding fathers had not treated her differently.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:16 pm to alajones
Many of the rumors floating around about Jefferson and Hemmings were spread by Jeffersons political enemies which is literally the only contemporary source of any of those accusations.
DNA evidence, conducted over a century later on Hemmings male descendants did make it clear someone from the Jefferson family did father her last child Eston (who was born when TJ was 64) with her but theres no way to know which Jefferson it was and theres zero DNA proof whatsoever any of her other children were fathered by any Jefferson, regardless of what you may have been told.
There's certainly a relatively slight chance it was TJ but its far more likely it was one of the other dozen or so Jefferson males who lived near Monticello and had ample opportunities to intermingle with the slaves.
Its unfortunate that even the Thomas Jefferson Foundation and other supposedly reputable historic associations have decided to make the baseless claims about TJ fathering all of Hemmings children based on nothing whatsoever but thats more of a reflection of the compromised state of modern academia than any factual data proving it to be true.
DNA evidence, conducted over a century later on Hemmings male descendants did make it clear someone from the Jefferson family did father her last child Eston (who was born when TJ was 64) with her but theres no way to know which Jefferson it was and theres zero DNA proof whatsoever any of her other children were fathered by any Jefferson, regardless of what you may have been told.
There's certainly a relatively slight chance it was TJ but its far more likely it was one of the other dozen or so Jefferson males who lived near Monticello and had ample opportunities to intermingle with the slaves.
Its unfortunate that even the Thomas Jefferson Foundation and other supposedly reputable historic associations have decided to make the baseless claims about TJ fathering all of Hemmings children based on nothing whatsoever but thats more of a reflection of the compromised state of modern academia than any factual data proving it to be true.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:36 pm to donut
Matt Walsh is a fricking charlatan that has never created anything original on the level of Ken Burns. He just spews his opinions on the internet. How talented!
Posted on 12/9/25 at 10:20 pm to WaltTeevens
I don’t care about or follow Matt Walsh. I watched a video that another poster posted. I heard the point he made and then I went and did my own research and confirmed what he was saying was correct. Burns put out a lie and people are just gonna assume Ken Burns is telling the truth. The woman got the same compensation as other military members.
This post was edited on 12/10/25 at 7:47 am
Posted on 12/9/25 at 11:02 pm to WaltTeevens
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Matt Walsh is a fricking charlatan that has never created anything original on the level of Ken Burns. He just spews his opinions on the internet. How talented!
So, was what Walsh said accurate or not? Why attack the person instead of the statement?
Posted on 12/16/25 at 7:14 am to sledgehammer
I just finished all 6 episodes. I thought it was excellent. I thought they did a good job of not making it particularly political in so much as you can do that with a subject like that. It was fair-handed. Portrayed Washington as he was …one of the greatest leaders of all time at the same time that he owned and indentured human beings. Both were true. Same for Robert Morris, both profited from the war and almost single-handedly kept the revolution afloat. Benedict Arnold, one of the bravest leaders who nearly sacrificed his life twice for the cause and at the same time became its most infamous traitor. Such is the duality of man. They did a good job portraying the American Revolution as maybe the most inspiring conflict with repercussions felt the world over to this day, the greatest single event in western culture outside the birth of Christ.
ETA: loved the part about John Paul Jones. What a ballsy dude. So fierce that he became a monster in British children’s stories. The part where he engaged the privateer boat with the British warship and saw he would lose if he didn’t do something drastic so he had his men lasso the boat to them and fight it out. Freaking insane. They don’t make men like that anymore. “I have not yet begun to fight!”.
ETA: loved the part about John Paul Jones. What a ballsy dude. So fierce that he became a monster in British children’s stories. The part where he engaged the privateer boat with the British warship and saw he would lose if he didn’t do something drastic so he had his men lasso the boat to them and fight it out. Freaking insane. They don’t make men like that anymore. “I have not yet begun to fight!”.
This post was edited on 12/16/25 at 7:40 am
Posted on 12/16/25 at 9:17 am to TailbackU
quote:Gotta be a wooden teeth joke there.
Washington... owned and indentured human beings.
quote:As others have said here again and again, there's a fantastic John Paul Jones film just waiting to be made.
loved the part about John Paul Jones. What a ballsy dude.
Posted on 12/16/25 at 9:48 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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I'd be shocked. Ken Burns loves America and is married to the truth. I don't think it'll be woke BS.
Matt Walsh made a post knocking Ken Burns for this documentary so people are going to hate on it before watching it.
Posted on 12/16/25 at 10:07 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Matt Walsh made a post knocking Ken Burns for this documentary so people are going to hate on it before watching it.
He did say most of the series is "quite good".
And Burns wasn't referencing the Iroquois as the source/inspiration for democracy. It was joining together as a union that he was referencing, which Franklin did 20 years prior.
But apparently the mention of "Indians" gets people's panties in a wad.
This post was edited on 12/16/25 at 10:20 am
Posted on 12/16/25 at 1:51 pm to Tigersforthee
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baseless claims about TJ fathering all of Hemmings children
Cmon bruh..you know TJ liked a little brown sugar
Posted on 12/16/25 at 2:00 pm to TailbackU
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Cmon bruh..you know TJ liked a little brown sugar
They all did. Idiotic to believe they were so righteous that they didn't. His father had several children by his slaves. His brother did. TJ did.
TJ knew slavery was immoral; just didn't want to give up free labor. Doesn't detract from his idea of freedom from tyrannical government.
Posted on 12/16/25 at 2:27 pm to deltadummy
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They all did. Idiotic to believe they were so righteous that they didn't.
Some people don't think transgender therapy in kids is immoral now so its possible.
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