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re: 'The Acolyte' Megathread: The Grand Finale is now streaming
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:48 pm to Madking
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:48 pm to Madking
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So like I said you’re lying.
Just like i predicted
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Not once did I make the argument you claim I did. Another fail
you absolutely did. I quoted you making the arguement.
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The only physical material that made the twins comes from the mom. There’s zero chance they’d look like they do if this show had any substance to it,
that’s you making the argument. That is you stating something as fact that has not been established in the show.
It was pointed out multiple times that this hasn’t been established in the show, and you kept arguing with peopl. and it wasn’t just me.
This post was edited on 6/19/24 at 11:49 pm
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:50 pm to WicKed WayZ
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Dude I agree that Stat Wars gets nitpicked but that’s simply not the case with this show. Political bullshite aside, it’s just poorly made and fricking horrendously written.
the problem witn this show is so few people watch that most of these threads are nitpicking things like the fire or the age of some random jedi who’s age on Wookepiedia came from a random Insiders Guide from the Phantom menace.
and i’ve talked about the issues with the show. the lame chant, the fact that every mystery gets solved as soon as it’s introduced.
This post was edited on 6/19/24 at 11:52 pm
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:53 pm to SammyTiger
You lied then predicted I’d say you did? Riveting stuff man. Now you’re boring me because you’re not even being innovative with your lies. At least earlier you went back and edited posts to lie but this is pathetic. Ok let me break you some more
Your claim- “Madking argued with me for multiple pages that he had proof in the show of exactly how they conceived the twins and that I was wrong and a shill for not being mad about it.”
Now you’re saying that statement is the exact same as this one- The only physical material that made the twins comes from the mom. There’s zero chance they’d look like they do if this show had any substance to it,
A normal person can see these are not alike, they’re not even the same topic lol.
Your claim- “Madking argued with me for multiple pages that he had proof in the show of exactly how they conceived the twins and that I was wrong and a shill for not being mad about it.”
Now you’re saying that statement is the exact same as this one- The only physical material that made the twins comes from the mom. There’s zero chance they’d look like they do if this show had any substance to it,
A normal person can see these are not alike, they’re not even the same topic lol.
This post was edited on 6/19/24 at 11:59 pm
Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:02 am to Madking
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Madking argued with me for multiple pages
I showed we argued for multiple pages
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that he had proof in the show
“the show is my source”
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of exactly how they conceived the twins
I linked your posted not speculating how the twins were conceived but stating how they were conceived.
I didnt like the entire argument that’s in those pages were you consistently double down and and insult people who keep pointing out the show hasn’t said how they were conceived.
sorry I proced exactly what i said.
and for kickers I ended my post with this:
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And you’re going to deflect from this post and say I am lying because that what you always do.
which is exactly what you did.
Idk why you would argue this didn’t happen. you were there. You just deflect, call me a liar with out being able to point out a lie and then try and come up with some pendantic excuse.
I bet it probably has something to do with “well saying I have a source isn’t the same as saying I have proof”
that’s weak
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 12:05 am
Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:06 am to SammyTiger
As usual when one of your lies gets irrefutably exposed you start spitting out lies like a machine gun. It happens every time one of your little games fails.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:07 am to Madking
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As usual when one of your lies gets irrefutably exposed you start spitting out lies like a machine gun. It happens every time one of your little games fails.
things Madkings considers lies:
direct quotes
links to posts
Pictures of luke and leia kissing.
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 12:08 am
Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:07 am to SammyTiger
No I just posted your allegation verbatim side by side with my actual statement. It showed your allegation was false.
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 12:13 am
Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:13 am to Madking
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No I just posted your allegation verbatim side by side with my actual statement verbatim.
every post of yours I quoted is verbatim.
your ignoring the rest of your argument.
I said we had a multiple page argument and I showed what you claimed over the course of that multi page argument .
You took 1 of many quotes and ignored 60% of my post.
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 12:14 am
Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:14 am to SammyTiger
No I took the one you used. You posted a bunch more after I showed your lie and none of them say what you claimed. Making a logical universe based deduction on the twins appearance isn’t the same as saying I know exactly how they came to be. Those are not even the same topics like I said before. Dunno why you lie so much, by now you have to know it doesn’t work.
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 12:20 am
Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:38 am to Madking
I actuallt posted all of that at the same timeX i think I edited the very last few lines and a couple of quote functions that didn’t work.
you presented a statement of how the twins were conceived. when questioned on it you didn’t say “well this is a reasonable deduction”
you called ignorant, you double down.
Me and another poster continuously pointed out that the show hadn’t given us any information on how the witches actually conceived the twins.
You even elaborated on that point:
again, your not presenting this as a “logical deduction” or even speculation.
I even said
and you defiantly replied
This isn’t a logical deduction. You have told me
that my speculation is not possible.
and that’s when I asked you what your source was and you said the show.
So save me the “oh i was just making a logical deduction”
You called me ignorant, you shot down any other explanation not as unlikely but just not possible. And then you said that your source for you statements was the show.
At the time you weren’t saying “this is a logical deduction”
you were calling me ignorant for saying we don’t know.
you presented a statement of how the twins were conceived. when questioned on it you didn’t say “well this is a reasonable deduction”
you called ignorant, you double down.
Me and another poster continuously pointed out that the show hadn’t given us any information on how the witches actually conceived the twins.
You even elaborated on that point:
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Pretty simple, physically the queen witch wasn’t involved in their internal development in any way. She’s just a jumper cable.
again, your not presenting this as a “logical deduction” or even speculation.
I even said
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I literally have no idea how it works. she could have manifested an entire fertilized egg from just the force. but they haven’t said anything in the show either, so literally you don’t either. we’re both just guessing.
and you defiantly replied
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No she didn’t and couldn’t. You really need to research how Anakin came to be because it’s seems you’re completely in the dark about the differences between that and this.
This isn’t a logical deduction. You have told me
that my speculation is not possible.
and that’s when I asked you what your source was and you said the show.
So save me the “oh i was just making a logical deduction”
You called me ignorant, you shot down any other explanation not as unlikely but just not possible. And then you said that your source for you statements was the show.
At the time you weren’t saying “this is a logical deduction”
you were calling me ignorant for saying we don’t know.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:38 am to SammyTiger
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Which of the comments between our posts am I supposed to engage with for an ernest discussion about the show? Madking argued with me for multiple pages that he had proof in the show of exactly how they conceived the twins and that I was wrong and a shill for not being mad about it.
Maybe just quit engaging in multi page discussion that devolves into “you are a liar” coming from both sides. Same goes for Madking as neither of you is getting anywhere except frustrated.
As far as points to address, I guess I’d ask if you think retconning can go too far, and do you feel like this show has gotten anywhere close to that if so?
Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:53 am to Crimson K
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As far as points to address, I guess I’d ask if you think retconning can go too far, and do you feel like this show has gotten anywhere close to that if so?
Absolutely retconning can into far.
and i think it’s a balancing act: how much does the retcon change vs how awesome is the payoff.
It’s absolutely a dumb plan to send luke to Anakins family, but the payoff is one of the greatest moments in movies history. Vader telling Luke that he’s his father is iconic. they could frick up all sorts of continuity for that level of payoff. but really it just makes a few silly plotholes
now in this show, some things are completely inconsequential.
Ki Adi Mindi’s age is meaningless. literally no movie ever says how old he is or how long his race lives. that’s all really tertiary source books.
people pointing out that he says there having been sith in millennia. I am fine retconning that because aren’t we better off with sith in these shows?
The convent haveing a different interpretation of the force I dont consider a retcon or world breaking or ip destroying. I think Yoda describes the force as something that binds us together. someone who didn’t grow up with the jedi calling something that binds the thread makes sense too.
The fact that some jedi may have done something fricked up i don’t think makes all jedi bad. Jedi aren’t perfect and I dont think ever jedi at their peak when there are thousands of them needs to be perfect.
So we are talking about the conception really. Does it ruin the prophecy of Anakin being the chosen one.
as i’ve said a bunch of times they haven’t explained how it happens. it could be a force IVF and be a nothing burger.
clearly the witches did something to conceive them using the force which is different than the force deciding to conceive anakin.
so I dont think that’s a retcon either.
so this argument that this show is ruining canon at this point is pretty weak.
now does the show have issues? yea. It’s a mystery show with no mysteries. I dont mind the lesbian witch coven being lesbians. Their whole
montra is dumb though. It’s literally just saying “strength in numbers” and pretending it’s deep. and chanting it doesn’t help.
I saw someone say the plot was incoherent. I dont think that’s true. So far it’s been pretty straight forward. almost too straightforward for what was again advertised as a suspend thriller murder mystery.
The masked sith needed to be the killer. they should have spend more time clearing Osha of the crimes and then introduced the Sith as the killer and spent the rest of the show figuring out who the sith was.
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 12:56 am
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:03 am to SammyTiger
This is what you continue to do. When you’re wrong you just pretend you’re able to redefine whatever it is you’re wrong about. So I show my argument, I clarify it and you just say “no, you meant this because I need it to be true”. Thats not an argument or a refutation, that’s you just believing you can change reality whenever it suits you. It’s dishonest which is why I correctly call you a liar and the only reason you get so mad about that is because it’s true.
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 1:08 am
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:20 am to Madking
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This is what you continue to do.
I continue to show quotes of you making the argument i said you made. i’m quoting you.
You posted for 3 or more pages about this and yet you only want to talk about 1 post.
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So I show my argument
only part of it. you ignore all the other posts.
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I clarify it
You “clarify” it now when it’s convenient for this argument. You backtrack on the things you say and then try and call me a liar for pointing out what you actually said. And you had oppertunity to clarify then. I asked you if I missed something in the show. I asked you what your source was. Neither of those questions came back with “I am looking at these facts and making a deduction”
in the same post you accuse me of “redefining” things to suit my purpose but you can “clarify” your arguement now.
Exactly what have I “redefined”
Specifically
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It’s dishonest which is why I correctly call you a liar and the only reason you get so mad about that is because it’s true.
I am not mad. I enjoy pointing out how full of shite you are.
I bring recipes you may as well copy and paste your bullshite “you’re a liar. that’s not what I meant when I said that. you’re dishonest” post.
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 1:23 am
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:28 am to SammyTiger
Everything In that post is a lie and I’ll keep this short.
Your claim - “Madking claims he knows exactly how the twins came to be”
The actual discussion topic- why don’t the twins look like their mother.
Two different topics, the actual topic and the one you made up. You’re a liar, all you do is lie. You can’t refute this post with any facts. All you can do is lie about motives and meanings, only things you can’t prove. You al always go this route because you’re a liar and you’re always wrong.
Your claim - “Madking claims he knows exactly how the twins came to be”
The actual discussion topic- why don’t the twins look like their mother.
Two different topics, the actual topic and the one you made up. You’re a liar, all you do is lie. You can’t refute this post with any facts. All you can do is lie about motives and meanings, only things you can’t prove. You al always go this route because you’re a liar and you’re always wrong.
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 1:29 am
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:37 am to Madking
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Two different topics, the actual topic and the one you made up. You’re a liar, all you do is lie. You can’t refute this post with any facts. All you can do is lie about motives and meanings, only things you can’t prove. You al always go this route because you’re a liar and you’re always wrong.
That is how the conversation started, but as i have quoted you made multiple posts about how the twins were conceived and the conversation clearly involved that.
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The only physical material that made the twins comes from the mom. There’s zero chance they’d look like they do if this show had any substance to it,
So right away you’re discussing the physical material that made the twins.
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Pretty simple, physically the queen witch wasn’t involved in their internal development in any way. She’s just a jumper cable.
You are discussing the process and the level of involvement the queen had in the making of the twins. and the “making” of a human being is their conception.
So saying now you were just discussing why the twins don’t look like Koril or that they should look like Koril is you trying to redefine not only this conversation but the one we had earlier
Those are direct quotes. which to you means it’s a “lie” But the facts are that the two statements i quoted are you discussing how the twins were created.
You’re also leaving out that you didn’t reply to the guy asking why the daughters don’t have hornsZ
you replied to my post where i said Koril was just a force surrogate.
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 1:42 am
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:41 am to SammyTiger
And nowhere in there does it say I know exactly how they were created. We’re discussing the fact that they have characteristics of the mother that wasn’t physically involved in their birth and not the one that was. It has nothing to do with how they were created other than to make that distinction. Period, end of story.
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 1:45 am
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:51 am to Madking
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And nowhere in there does it say I know exactly how they were created. Period, end of story, go find another topic to lie about.
this is where you really start to break down and get into the “if i didn’t say exactly what you said i said then you’re lying” bullshite.
You said that’s all the generic material came from the mother and the Queen was just a jumper cable. So you have a specific process for how they were
You claimed the show was your source. you called me ignorant when I pointed out that how the twins we have very little information on how the twins were created. So you claimed you had knowledge to back up your assertions.
If you look at what you said throughout the argument you put forth a specific idea and defended it as true and based on the show.
You never quantified these statements with “I think“
or “the evidence points to” or “my hypothesis” or anything else that would indicate that you are making a “logical deduction and when I asked you were in the show you were getting this you didn’t lay out your reasoning you said “the show is the source”
You were 100% sure of your point when i was arguing that you didn’t now.
Now that I am arguing you were 100% sure of your point you are saying “well i never said I knew“
it’s an absolute blatant flip flop.
You even admitted to having to “clarify” your point now.
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 1:52 am
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:53 am to SammyTiger
Can you 2 shut the frick up.
No one cares.
No one cares.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:54 am to SammyTiger
No you lying POS you made a claim to smear me that was false and now you’re trying to say I’m wrong for clearing that up by being to specific. What an absolute scumbag you are. A fricking piece of shite
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