re: Star Wars: TFA -Official Discussion Thread - Spoilers

Saw it last night and really enjoyed it.

Can anyone direct me to the pages in this thread where Snoke was discussed (assuming that has been done already)?

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dark side =/= sith

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Correct. Sith is a species. When Vader is called "Dark Lord of the Sith," it is in reference to the ideals of the Sith and their power. It does not mean he is of their species. Basically the Sith are like Devils and the Darskside are their worshipers/knights.


Not sure if discussed, but when a sun dies a galaxie dies with it. This weapon was unoriginal and poorly conceived.


Thought the movie was great, though the Deathstar v1.3 keeps it from being as great as it could be.

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Not sure if discussed, but when a sun dies a galaxie dies with it. This weapon was unoriginal and poorly conceived.

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Yeeeeeeeah how was this super planet just supposed to float around space from galaxy to galaxy, sucking up stars?

Nice try, Space Nazis.

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Correct. Sith is a species. When Vader is called "Dark Lord of the Sith," it is in reference to the ideals of the Sith and their power. It does not mean he is of their species. Basically the Sith are like Devils and the Darskside are their worshipers/knights.

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A bit of backstory here on the whole "Sith" aspect of Star Wars. This goes back literally tens of thousands of years before ANH. Not long after hyperspace technology first was developed in the Star Wars Galaxy there was a sort of Civil War in the ranks of the Jedi. Basically a sub-set of Jedi fell to the Dark Side. They were defeated and exiled into unknown regions of the galaxy. They eventually came to a planet inhabited by a species known as "Sith". The dark Jedi overpowered the planet and became their "gods", thus the title of "Dark Lord of the Sith" was born along with the order we know as The "Sith".

At that time there were hundreds, maybe even thousands of "Sith". They built an empire and fought numerous wars against both the Republic, the Jedi, and even among themselves. Eventually, still a thousands or so years before ANH, a Sith Lord named Darth Bane wiped out all the other Sith and instituted the "Rule of Two", a master and an apprentice. He also planted the seeds of the eventual rise of the Sith to overthrow the Republic and establish a Galactic Empire that we saw take place The Episode III "Revenge of the Sith". This line of Sith Lords that Bane established lasted from his time until Darth Vader killed Darth Sidious and then died himself a few moments later. With Vader's turn to the light and death, the Sith order became extinct.

But that does not mean the Dark Side of the Force died off. There have always been other followers of the Dark Side. They're just not Sith.

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Unless Snoke is Darth Plagueis with his midichlorian manipulation and death-defiance and maybe Abrams can just redo Episodes I-III.

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I know he's not Plagueis. Sidious murdered him when Anakin was still just a child.

Now this is just a guess, but I'm betting Snoke was one of Sidious' inner circle of Dark Side advisers. One thing that complicates everything though is the fact that once Disney took over the story, a whole lot of the story changed. For example at one time part of the story after ROJ was how Sidious came back first as a spirit and later in a cloned body. I'm guessing that's no longer "canon". It's possible this Snoke character is the re-embodiment of Sidious. but I think that's doubtful. I'm betting he was one of the inner circle. By that, I mean one of these guys or someone like them....

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I know he's not Plagueis. Sidious murdered him when Anakin was still just a child.

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But even Sidious said that Plagueis had mastered the ability to defeat death.

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I'm betting Snoke was one of Sidious' inner circle of Dark Side advisers

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Eh. Possible? Sure. But it'd be a pretty weak explanation for a reinvigorated franchise; would be a lot cooler if he is revealed to be some long forgotten ancient evil that hasn't wanted to be bothered until the Empire fell and the Jedi started a resurgence. At that point, he took it upon himself to corrupt Luke's nephew and star pupil, prompting Luke to hide his daughter to protect her.

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But even Sidious said that Plagueis had mastered the ability to defeat death.

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He also said he could save others from death, but not himself.

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Eh. Possible? Sure. But it'd be a pretty weak explanation for a reinvigorated franchise; would be a lot cooler if he is revealed to be some long forgotten ancient evil that hasn't wanted to be bothered until the Empire fell and the Jedi started a resurgence. At that point, he took it upon himself to corrupt Luke's nephew and star pupil, prompting Luke to hide his daughter to protect her.

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That's possible. Now that Disney has thrown out a lot of the original story line anything is possible I suppose.

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Not sure if discussed, but when a sun dies a galaxie dies with it. This weapon was unoriginal and poorly conceived.

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No, a solar system dies with it, not an entire galaxy. The Milky Way (not a very big galaxy all things considered) is estimated to have 200-400 billion stars. Plenty of sources to suck energy from.

Now, how the thing moves from star to star...

Who was Max Von Sydow's character in the beginning?

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I have seen people in this thread refer to Darth Maul as being a member of the Sith species. He is not. He is a Zabrak

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They really should have made that more clear in the Phantom Menace. I remember thinking a Sith was simply Darth Maul's species and nothing more. Wasn't until Attack of the Clones that I thought it was referring to Dark Side practitioners, and then I get confused again when I find out the Sith are actually a species.