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re: Star Trek: TOS
Posted on 9/9/26 at 11:50 pm to Godfather1
Posted on 9/9/26 at 11:50 pm to Godfather1
was at the home of a friend who’s a 60-something theatre kid for a Labor Day cookout
after dinner we all decided to watch an episode of ST:TOS and she said “you pick the episode”
knowing her Shakesperian background i chose “Conscience of the King”
hadnt seen it in a few years, basic plot holds up really well, if you can get over the fact that a 35 year old Starship captain is trying to get in the panties of a 19 year old ingenue
the teenage bimbo also had one of the best lines in TV history:
after dinner we all decided to watch an episode of ST:TOS and she said “you pick the episode”
knowing her Shakesperian background i chose “Conscience of the King”
hadnt seen it in a few years, basic plot holds up really well, if you can get over the fact that a 35 year old Starship captain is trying to get in the panties of a 19 year old ingenue
the teenage bimbo also had one of the best lines in TV history:
quote:
And this ship…all this power, surging and throbbing yet under control. Are you like that, Captain?
Posted on 9/10/26 at 12:14 am to FearlessFreep
quote:next time show her the Wagon Train ep "The Duncan McIvor Story".
knowing her Shakesperian background i chose “Conscience of the King”
A weak-willed cavalry officer is convinced by his scheming wife to frame his fellow officer Duncan, to cover up his own crimes (stealing army supplies & selling them).
Remind you of anything? From the quadricentennial year 1964, yet
Actually don't show it to her, it's not that great.
Wagon Train To The Stars, indeed
Posted on 9/10/26 at 8:09 am to Godfather1
It created the blueprint for solid morality stories. TNG followed that path. DS9 followed that path. Voyager got a bit silly with some of the characters (looking at you Neelix & Kess) but followed the path as well. Never got around to watching Enterprise nor Upper Deck.
Discovery and Academy said "frick your path" and just rolled around in a used litter box.
BNW has tried to follow the path at times but devolves into silliness and personal drama rather than sticking with the larger focus on moral dilemmas from the earlier series.
Discovery and Academy said "frick your path" and just rolled around in a used litter box.
BNW has tried to follow the path at times but devolves into silliness and personal drama rather than sticking with the larger focus on moral dilemmas from the earlier series.
Posted on 9/10/26 at 8:29 am to Godfather1
The striking difference from Star Trek and what we have today under Kurtzman is that Kurtzman openly admits to using the IP for his agenda. It’s not speculation, he said it on video.
Those in charge don’t care about the IP, only promoting the message. And those who are interested in the message don’t care about the IP. It’s that way for most of Hollywood right now.
Those in charge don’t care about the IP, only promoting the message. And those who are interested in the message don’t care about the IP. It’s that way for most of Hollywood right now.
Posted on 9/10/26 at 10:01 am to SouthEasternKaiju
well, this thread is about the original series so what the frick does that have to do with anything? 
Posted on 9/10/26 at 10:13 am to cgrand
quote:You could start a thread about Doug McClure and these frickers would find a way shite their political agendas into the discussion.
well, this thread is about the original series so what the frick does that have to do with anything?
Posted on 9/10/26 at 10:17 am to Godfather1
quote:That was his sales pitch to the network, since Westerns were the main TV genre of the time. He thought he could sneak his "cerebral" sci-fi by them if he touted it as a take on Westerns.
Roddenberry always stated that his show was “Wagon Train to the stars”.
Battlestar Galactica turned out to be the actual Wagon Train to the stars.
Posted on 9/10/26 at 10:21 am to FearlessFreep
I've watched TOS since it was in Prime Time, and I still notice "new" gems in the episodes.
Watching "The Trouble with Tribbles" and I just realized that, before the Klingons are goading them into a bar brawl, Scottie and Chekov are arguing over Scotch vs Vodka. Once the argument begins, Scottie switches their drinks while Chekov isn't looking, and downs Chekov's vodka. Then Scottie tells Chekov to ignore the Klingons and enjoy his drink. Chekov unwittingly downs the Scotch, and makes a surprised face.
Watching "The Trouble with Tribbles" and I just realized that, before the Klingons are goading them into a bar brawl, Scottie and Chekov are arguing over Scotch vs Vodka. Once the argument begins, Scottie switches their drinks while Chekov isn't looking, and downs Chekov's vodka. Then Scottie tells Chekov to ignore the Klingons and enjoy his drink. Chekov unwittingly downs the Scotch, and makes a surprised face.
Posted on 9/10/26 at 10:28 am to cgrand
Apparently, you failed at paint by numbers because clearly my point has to do with the overall condition of the franchise, which starts with TOS.
What was truly great in its origin is being a unmistakably damaged, so you can stop pretending to not see that
What was truly great in its origin is being a unmistakably damaged, so you can stop pretending to not see that
This post was edited on 9/10/26 at 10:29 am
Posted on 9/10/26 at 10:32 am to Fewer Kilometers
quote:
these frickers
Motherfricking Alex Kitzman himself clearly stated he’s using Star Trek for his political agenda, and yet you’re whining like a little cvnt because we don’t just sit down and accept it?
Posted on 9/10/26 at 12:09 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:I don’t have to pretend. I’ve never watched any of the other shows that are not the subject of this thread. what’s your favorite original series episode?
so you can stop pretending to not see that
Posted on 9/10/26 at 12:34 pm to cgrand
Space seed is the easy answer. Of course it’s been a while since I’ve seen the full series… Doomsday Machine & The city on the edge of forever are up there.
Posted on 9/10/26 at 12:41 pm to Godfather1
Went to the theater and saw Wrath of Kahn on Saturday. They played the original Kahn episode beforehand. Changed the movie entirely knowing the background.
Posted on 9/10/26 at 2:09 pm to cgrand
quote:
I’ve always thought that the way they re-used the unaired pilot to weave in and out of the 2 part “menagerie” episode and make a completely different story out of it was brilliant TV.
Not only brilliant, it was very deliberate and strategically timed. Gene knew there would come a crunch that first season. He knew that - not only did they have that footage that wouldn't have to be re-shot - he knew that the wraparound, "current time" script would actually be easier than usual to write. It was an easy shoot, with just a couple of short isolated scenes and then the courtroom framing for the wraparound.
Guests were minimized in The Menagerie, but even more, Malachi Thorne who had voiced The Keeper in the original pilot (The Cage) was brought in to play Commodore Mendez. It was a Corman-esque move as it saved a residual check, although they did have to electronically raise the pitch of The Keeper's voice to conceal that it was the same actor.
Ultimately they were able to leverage 1 week of work into 2 hours of television and it was Gene's reserve/backup plan for the entire Season 1 (and it would have been saved until Season 2 if it hadn't been needed).
This post was edited on 9/10/26 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 9/11/26 at 9:27 am to Godfather1
quote:
A salt vampire is straight diabolical.
Interesting to compare this episode to Devil in the Dark. Instead of a an episode about a misunderstood alien, this is a straight up monster movie. It's great.
Posted on 9/11/26 at 9:57 am to Master of Sinanju
my favorite thing about episode 1 is that they go straight into a backstory with McCoy, and we’d never met him before. Deforest Kelly as McCoy wasn’t even a “starring” credit all thru season one, yet he’s fleshed out as a character right out the gate.
We also get an immediate sense of the scale of galactic colonization which was pretty fricking cool in 1966. Finally the tone is set that not only is this “wagon train to the stars”, the enterprise is a capital ship of line of the future navy, where it stays in orbit and serves as both a home for the crew and the tip of the spear of the exploration of the cosmos
And we get a monster
That’s a lot to pack in to episode one
We also get an immediate sense of the scale of galactic colonization which was pretty fricking cool in 1966. Finally the tone is set that not only is this “wagon train to the stars”, the enterprise is a capital ship of line of the future navy, where it stays in orbit and serves as both a home for the crew and the tip of the spear of the exploration of the cosmos
And we get a monster
That’s a lot to pack in to episode one
Posted on 9/11/26 at 2:35 pm to Fewer Kilometers
quote:
Battlestar Galactica turned out to be the actual Wagon Train to the stars.
Mormon wagon train to the stars.
Without all the murdering.
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