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re: Star Trek into Darkness: Discussion and SPOILERS thread

Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:44 am to
Posted by LE610N
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Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:44 am to
Saw it yesterday.

First my experience with the series. My first introduction to ST was First Contact. I was blown away by that film, especially seeing Picard get really emotional. Next I saw bits and pieces of Voyage Home; all I remember is whales Then I saw the original motion picture and thought it was terrible. Then I came upon WoK and I really enjoyed it. It lived up to the hype I heard all those years. From there I didn't see anymore until ST (2009). I really enjoyed that one as well. I should clarify I haven't seen any of the shows from any series.


Now for the film. A few nitpicks. First,and I could be wrong on this, I felt from what I've seen in ST (2009) they didn't show/play up Spock's strength etc. I knew of the mind meld and the pressure point thing but that was it. So when it came to Spock vs Khan I was like what the frick!? I was thinking the whole time Vulcans were on par with humans as far as strength. So when they were going toe-to-toe I was kinda taken out bc Khan was super human, and was kicking Klingon butt earlier and jumping 30 meters etc earlier in the film. I could have understood Spock using the pressure point thing (w/e it's called) to subdue Khan but they played that card early in the final fight. And for it to be finished with an uppercut-to-black I was immediately brought to the lame dispatch of the villain in some other summer blockbuster films . Wasn't till after that my friends told me Spock was super strong that I understood but that first impression will stick with me.

Next, I knew Kirk wouldn't die, just too obvious with the scene with Bones and the appendage-less bunny and the officers family at the beginning.

Also, and this is a plus. It had me emotionally at kirks "death" scene. Not from him dying but him coping with him being scared and feeling fear. I felt this was a great development for his character. But was taken out once I remember said appendage-less bunny.

Then, like mentioned earlier, why just Khans blood and not the blood of the other 72? I know there is probably an answer for this and it might have been mentioned in the thread but it wasn't addressed in the film if I remember correctly.

Lastly, and this ties to the first nitpick. I felt they kinda copped out on not killing Khan. I conceded to the film that they needed Khan's blood but I was thinking they take a limb etc. Nope. Just knocked a super human unconscious and problem solved. I felt they took the easy way out by freezing him again and this opens up new films for him but I felt cheated they didn't do something new to finish him off.

Having said all that...I loved this movie! I saw it in IMAX and it looked stunning. At first I heard meh things about it. Then heard good things. So I went in blank and came out really enjoying it. I'd say its the best in my book.


ETA: Sorry If I inadvertently spoiled another film by saying it wasn't delivering the pay off it was building to.
This post was edited on 5/20/13 at 11:03 am
Posted by Ash Williams
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Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:49 am to
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I should clarify I haven't seen any of the shows from any series.


this is wher eyou confusion about vulcans came in then

in the series there are several occasions of spock beating arse because of vulcans' strength and their ability to logically choose what each move should be and where they should strike

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And for it to be finished with an uppercut-to-black I was immediately brought to the lame dispatch of the villain in IM3


Thanks for this a-hole

i havent seen it yet

Posted by asurob1
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Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:54 am to
I think this will hold on as the best of the summer...though I think that if man of steel lives up to the hype it could knock into darkness to that number 2 spot.
Posted by Fletch F Fletch
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Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:55 am to
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the appendage-less bunny


Posted by TigersRuleTheEarth
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Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:55 am to
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the lame dispatch of the villain in IM3
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Thanks for this a-hole

i havent seen it yet


Wait, you think him saying Iron Man is victorious is a spoiler?
Posted by Volvagia
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Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:58 am to
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But was taken out once I remember said appendage-less bunny.


Fwiw

LINK
Posted by FourThinInches
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Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:59 am to
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Volvagia


Sorry man, but copying old movies is what hollywood seems to be doing nowadays. Now if you and other people want to think that justifies someones creativity of this movie then that is your opinion.

Khan in the TV show and movie was a villain who was Kirk's greatest adversary. In this movie the only true glimpse of the real khan were the 10 minutes he was in control of the ship about to blow up the enterprise....

The show and the movies of old took their time to showcase the nature and mindset of villains and heroes. This movie literally uses a time continuum bullshite plot to have Old Spock tell New Spock about Khan, thus not showing how Kirk and Spock are smart enough to overcome this villain. THEY CHEATED! I mean with this stupid plot loop and the fact they are about to go exploring space for 5 years, they can just call Old Spock about any problem or villain they encounter

I mean if you can't honestly see that the studio or director said lets copy the greatest star trek movie/tv episode: Khan, and throw in some rom-com and CGI. Then I do not know what to say to you. Perhaps instead of Spock being exposed to a lethal dose of radiation what was what did it for you? I literally thought Kirk was going to die and these idiots were going to make Star Trek: The Search for James T. Kirk

This post was edited on 5/20/13 at 11:11 am
Posted by Volvagia
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Posted on 5/20/13 at 11:02 am to
All I can see is that you just said with a straight face that they had the "real" Kahn for only 10 minutes in the movie but they also just copied WOH and threw some CGI....and it never occurred to you that the two are mutually exclusive.

For frick's sake, the plot is nothing like either WOH or Space seed, but you will sit there and say its a copy even after admitting this fact.

The only "copied" part was the death scene homage, and even that part was distinct and IMO more powerful in its own way to the original.
This post was edited on 5/20/13 at 11:11 am
Posted by Ash Williams
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Posted on 5/20/13 at 11:04 am to
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Wait, you think him saying Iron Man is victorious is a spoiler?



i go into every movie strongly believing that the protagonist could die

i thought Into Darkness gave me this until i remembered the fricking Tribble (appendage-less bunny)
Posted by Volvagia
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Posted on 5/20/13 at 11:14 am to
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I literally thought Kirk was going to die and these idiots were going to make Star Trek: The Search for James T. Kirk


Nah.

I mean, they only did that the first time around because Nemoy was getting sick of Star Trek, and would only reprise the role for WOK if he wouldn't be expected to ever come back to the role ever again.

Only after it did really well and they were able to throw money at him did Search for Spock emerge. With them giving Nemoy the directorial helm to entice him.

:ohshitIwentthere:
This post was edited on 5/20/13 at 11:19 am
Posted by asurob1
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Posted on 5/20/13 at 12:34 pm to
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Nah.

I mean, they only did that the first time around because Nemoy was getting sick of Star Trek, and would only reprise the role for WOK if he wouldn't be expected to ever come back to the role ever again.

Only after it did really well and they were able to throw money at him did Search for Spock emerge. With them giving Nemoy the directorial helm to entice him.

:ohshitIwentthere:


yup this.

It was about money.

I knew kirk was going to be a okay here due to the couple of bits of foreshadowing regarding Khan's super blood.

That didn't take from the scene one bit.

Though Im sure the haters will continue to cry about it.
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 5/20/13 at 1:53 pm to
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Also, and this is a plus. It had me emotionally at kirks "death" scene. Not from him dying but him coping with him being scared and feeling fear. I felt this was a great development for his character. But was taken out once I remember said appendage-less bunny.


LOL Tribbles.

Oh, and by the way, a little continuity for you regarding the other part of your quote:


quote:

Spock: Furthermore, you have failed to divine the purpose of the test.

James T. Kirk: Enlighten me again.

Spock: The purpose is to experience fear, fear in the face of certain death, to accept that fear, and maintain control of oneself and one's crew. This is the quality expected in every Starfleet captain.


It was a damned good movie, and those shitting all over it do their claimed Trek fandom a disservice.
Posted by Ash Williams
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Posted on 5/20/13 at 1:54 pm to
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It was a damned good movie, and those shitting all over it do their claimed Trek fandom a disservice.



im with you dawg


and i fricking love Bones
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 5/20/13 at 2:19 pm to
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and i fricking love Bones


I would have never thought that Karl Urban would have pulled off this character, but he (and they) have done a really good good job with the character.

Cho's Sulu is great.
Pegg's Scotty is also great.

In fact, other than Chekov (who I like, but not quite as much), I think all of the cast is great (especially Pine and Quinto). Roddenberry and his wife (Majel Barrett [Nurse Chapel {liked the nod to her in STID}]) are no longer with us, but I think they would BOTH be pleased with Abrams' two offerings thusfar.

IMO, these iterations are closer to TOS and the "classic" Trek universe (reflected in the TOS cast movies) than TNG, DS9 or Voyager could ever hope to be.
Posted by Ash Williams
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Posted on 5/20/13 at 2:26 pm to
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I would have never thought that Karl Urban would have pulled off this character, but he (and they) have done a really good good job with the character.



i really liked him in LoftR but was interested to see him play a character with so much comedic relief

and i've loved it

i know it was corny but i loved the "Im a doctor, not a torpedo technician"
Posted by Fletch F Fletch
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Posted on 5/20/13 at 2:31 pm to
I thought the best used character this time around, that was very underserved in 2009, was the Enterprise herself. This film had beautiful shots of the Enterprise, especially, but not limited to, the fade shot from the dirt drawing into the Enterprise going to warp.
Posted by Ash Williams
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Posted on 5/20/13 at 2:36 pm to
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I thought the best used character this time around, that was very underserved in 2009, was the Enterprise herself. This film had beautiful shots of the Enterprise, especially, but not limited to, the fade shot from the dirt drawing into the Enterprise going to warp.



yea this whole movie was better visually than the first without a doubt

i watched it in 3D, which i usually dont like to do, but the scene where kirk and kahn shot form ship to ship was amazing in 3D

i also ducked when a spear came right for me in the opening

Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 5/20/13 at 2:46 pm to
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I thought the best used character this time around, that was very underserved in 2009, was the Enterprise herself. This film had beautiful shots of the Enterprise, especially, but not limited to, the fade shot from the dirt drawing into the Enterprise going to warp.


This, but also I wish they built another ship the same size as the Vengeance and called it the enterprise instead at the end of the movie. They really could do some damage in the third movie with a dreadnought class ship. I mean the enterprise is supposed to be the flagship of starfleet and it was absolutely dwarfed by another federation ship. That doesn't feel right to me.
Posted by Ash Williams
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Posted on 5/20/13 at 2:52 pm to
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This, but also I wish they built another ship the same size as the Vengeance and called it the enterprise instead at the end of the movie. They really could do some damage in the third movie with a dreadnought class ship. I mean the enterprise is supposed to be the flagship of starfleet and it was absolutely dwarfed by another federation ship. That doesn't feel right to me.



i agree it would be awesome

but that was kind of explained away in Kirk's speech at the end talking about how they're only supposed to be explorers

also flying around in the most bad arse ship in the galaxy would probably make for pretty boring movies in the future if there's nobody that can defeat them

its the same reason Superman sucks, because his only weakness is kryptonite


im just fricking with you with that last one
This post was edited on 5/20/13 at 2:53 pm
Posted by Fletch F Fletch
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Posted on 5/20/13 at 2:53 pm to
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i also ducked when a spear came right for me in the opening


me too........
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