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Posted on 4/19/15 at 10:25 pm to Ultron
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You're all over the place here. They never said that Lithgow was a Gen Y guy nor did he given any indication that he was a part of that generation.
They absolutely indicated he was from my generation. Rewatch it.
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You say that society collapsed? And yet we are able to communicate across the globe. We still have power. We still have schools. You say Apple and Samsung are no more and thus phones are gone then turn around and say that computers still exist? Who is making them? Who is providing access to the internet?
There are no more armies and Cooper's generation was noted as being war torn. Society did collapse as we know it. Certain governments still existed, but society and government are not one in the same.
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Not to mention no real or logical explanation is given as to why our planet was in that situation to begin with.
Umm, Blight and intense food scarcity. That's all we need to know. That is a very logical explanation as to why our planet is in that situation. I don't give a shite about the science behind it since it's pointless and a waste of time for what the movie is trying to tell us, GCA.
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This was just not a good movie. It's like they took half a of a great sci-fi script, and shite a bunch of Hollywood cliches on it and expected people to believe it was great because it starred one of the top stars in Hollywood right now (Matt) and was lead by one of the biggest names (Nolan). This was a textbook mediocre movie.
I'm done arguing with your pointless bullshite GameCockAlum/Durantula/Green Hornet/etc. Hopefully your presence back is short lived.
Posted on 4/19/15 at 10:36 pm to OMLandshark
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Hopefully your presence back is short lived.
Sheesh. Chill out. It's just a movie opinion. A movie I'm sure YOU didn't write.
Posted on 4/19/15 at 10:45 pm to Rex
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Sheesh. Chill out. It's just a movie opinion. A movie I'm sure YOU didn't write.
It's GCA, who has been banned repeatably.
Posted on 4/19/15 at 11:14 pm to Rex
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- Why didn't Dad just type out "Hey, it's me, your Dad" in Morse code from behind the bookcase and save the poor girl 20+ years of frustration and anger?
Aw, fug it.
Yea, and why didn't the eagles just fly Frodo to Mt. Doom to dispose of the One Ring!!
Posted on 4/19/15 at 11:49 pm to OMLandshark
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They absolutely indicated he was from my generation. Rewatch it.
Why would I rewatch a mediocre movie just to prove you wrong when I already know you are wrong?
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There are no more armies and Cooper's generation was noted as being war torn. Society did collapse as we know it. Certain governments still existed, but society and government are not one in the same.
Um okay? I mentioned nothing about government in what you quoted so I don't know why you brought them into this. You and your argument have already collapsed, so let's see where we go from here...
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Umm, Blight and intense food scarcity. That's all we need to know.
So all of the cattle and fish died? No other crops can be grown? Hell even ramen noodles went out of business? Come on, that's horseshite and you know it.
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I'm done arguing with your pointless bullshite
Thanks for conceding defeat.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 8:53 am to Rex
Watching some of the earliest trailers back then, I believe society was originally suppose to be the aftermath of an alien war. I can remember Matt Mc driving that truck by a billboard that said to report alien activity to the government. But then they cut it out. It would have helped explain how we got to the point of space flight.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 9:00 am to Rex
Can someone give me an explanation as to what happened to society in the movie? Why are the Yankees playing in some Field of Dreams ballpark? Or is that some kind of reenactment? What's with all the dust? Is there no water? I was thoroughly confused at the beginning.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 9:11 am to Rebel Land Shark
quote:The water they were standing in should have been rushing at 9 million mph toward the wave.
Trying to keep this as least confusing as possible but yes; gargantua (which has a lot more gravity than anything in our solar system) was acting like our moon and is controlling the tides. When they landed on Millers planet they landed in a low tide area and it may seem that the wave is moving towards them when in fact they are moving toward a semi-stationary wave (The wave is moving with the planet). As the planet is rotating on its axis, gargantua is pulling up this massive "high tide" in the planet and the planet is rotating them towards the massive "high tide".
Posted on 4/20/15 at 9:11 am to The Sad Banana
I think the basic premise is that we were basically killing earth or had used up its resources so the economy tanked and food became the number one concern
I imagine the dust had something to do with climate change/ global warming
I imagine the dust had something to do with climate change/ global warming
Posted on 4/20/15 at 9:24 am to Croacka
The inconsistency in that premise bothered me.
No cellphones or TV's, but the farmer just happened to have a laptop computer in his truck that could remotely control military drones? Really?
About that drone... it would have made better story sense to just have it crash.
And the gravity anomaly behind the misbehaving combines could have been illustrated in a far less confusing manner, such as with everyday objects. As it was, I felt that the battery packs were infected with some alien algorithm.
No cellphones or TV's, but the farmer just happened to have a laptop computer in his truck that could remotely control military drones? Really?
About that drone... it would have made better story sense to just have it crash.
And the gravity anomaly behind the misbehaving combines could have been illustrated in a far less confusing manner, such as with everyday objects. As it was, I felt that the battery packs were infected with some alien algorithm.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 9:46 am to The Sad Banana
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Can someone give me an explanation as to what happened to society in the movie?
Almost all of society starved to death due to blight and war.
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Why are the Yankees playing in some Field of Dreams ballpark?
Well, because they're the most well known baseball team and are legendary. Now that the Yankees are pretty much gone, why not use it?
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What's with all the dust? Is there no water?
It's not that there's no water, its that there are hardly any plants to collect the dust and block it.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 9:48 am to Rex
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No cellphones or TV's, but the farmer just happened to have a laptop computer in his truck that could remotely control military drones? Really?
The guy is a farmer and a former NASA engineer. I think he'd pick a laptop with limited internet for things like email, weather patterns, and crop yield. Plus it's not like he's going too far from his farm where he needs a cell phone all that much.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 9:53 am to Rex
One of my major problems--aside from Matt Damon and the entirety of the shenanigans that went down there--with the movie, which I thought was pretty damn spectacular otherwise, was Cooper's insistence that it was humanity reaching back through the eons (or simply interacting with the 4th dimension) to provide Cooper with the opportunity to save humanity.
And here's why: this creates a time paradox. In other words, it necessarily means that humanity would have had to have survived and evolved to a point beyond earth in the first place for them to be able to construct the 5th dimensional (gravity) bridge within which to place Cooper. However, it is clear that Cooper saves humanity by using morse code to provide his daughter with the solution to the equation making intergalactic space travel possible for humanity.
Therefore, without Cooper and the 5th dimensional bridge, there is no future for humanity. However, humanity has already somehow survived without this 5th dimensional intervention (at least, if Cooper is correct). Consequently, if these 5th dimensional humans are interacting with the 4th dimension to change the course of history, it would create a ripple effect causing the very forces that forced humanity to become 5th dimensional beings to be altered and possible eradicating their ability to interact through the 4th and 5th dimensions.
And I understand the theory of time as non-linear, but it is indisputable that as time passes, evolution occurs. Time is very real, even if it is non-linear and is simply a dimension through which we can walk.
So, 5th dimensional humans would have had to have evolved in order to create the 5th dimension bridge. But in order for them to have evolved, they necessarily would have had to have survived without the 5th dimensional bridge. However, humanity could not have survived without the 5th dimensional bridge and Cooper communicating with his daughter. Therefore, one could not have happened without the other, but the other had to have happened for the first to have happened.
So Cooper's insistence creates a time paradox that is wholly unaddressed. And there does not appear to be a reason to doubt Cooper in this. At the same time, there does not appear to be a reason to have insisted on putting it in the movie other than to impress upon the audience either (a) an atheistic viewpoint or (b) at minimum, a viewpoint that places humanity squarely in charge of its own destiny--that we have no one to count on in the universe but ourselves.
I prefer the latter and think that is what Nolan was going for, but I also think it completely unnecessary and, in fact, prefer the idea of just wondering who or what was out there looking after us. God? Aliens? Some other humanoid race that lives on another planet and evolved separately from us? And this brings up all sorts of other interesting questions to ponder: what is the nature of God? What is the nature of alien life? Etc.
tl;dr
Cooper's insistence that humans created the 5th dimensional bridge creates a time paradox that is not addressed in the movie and I think that sucks.
And here's why: this creates a time paradox. In other words, it necessarily means that humanity would have had to have survived and evolved to a point beyond earth in the first place for them to be able to construct the 5th dimensional (gravity) bridge within which to place Cooper. However, it is clear that Cooper saves humanity by using morse code to provide his daughter with the solution to the equation making intergalactic space travel possible for humanity.
Therefore, without Cooper and the 5th dimensional bridge, there is no future for humanity. However, humanity has already somehow survived without this 5th dimensional intervention (at least, if Cooper is correct). Consequently, if these 5th dimensional humans are interacting with the 4th dimension to change the course of history, it would create a ripple effect causing the very forces that forced humanity to become 5th dimensional beings to be altered and possible eradicating their ability to interact through the 4th and 5th dimensions.
And I understand the theory of time as non-linear, but it is indisputable that as time passes, evolution occurs. Time is very real, even if it is non-linear and is simply a dimension through which we can walk.
So, 5th dimensional humans would have had to have evolved in order to create the 5th dimension bridge. But in order for them to have evolved, they necessarily would have had to have survived without the 5th dimensional bridge. However, humanity could not have survived without the 5th dimensional bridge and Cooper communicating with his daughter. Therefore, one could not have happened without the other, but the other had to have happened for the first to have happened.
So Cooper's insistence creates a time paradox that is wholly unaddressed. And there does not appear to be a reason to doubt Cooper in this. At the same time, there does not appear to be a reason to have insisted on putting it in the movie other than to impress upon the audience either (a) an atheistic viewpoint or (b) at minimum, a viewpoint that places humanity squarely in charge of its own destiny--that we have no one to count on in the universe but ourselves.
I prefer the latter and think that is what Nolan was going for, but I also think it completely unnecessary and, in fact, prefer the idea of just wondering who or what was out there looking after us. God? Aliens? Some other humanoid race that lives on another planet and evolved separately from us? And this brings up all sorts of other interesting questions to ponder: what is the nature of God? What is the nature of alien life? Etc.
tl;dr
Cooper's insistence that humans created the 5th dimensional bridge creates a time paradox that is not addressed in the movie and I think that sucks.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 9:57 am to LoveThatMoney
You explained what I was thinking much better than I could have explained it
Basically, if he didn't save the human race, how were these humans able to help him save it?
I'm sure there's an explanation that may or may not make sense
Basically, if he didn't save the human race, how were these humans able to help him save it?
I'm sure there's an explanation that may or may not make sense
Posted on 4/20/15 at 9:59 am to Rex
quote:You should watch again. You will see this doesn't belong with the rest of your points.
- What was the point of chasing the Indian drone at the start of the movie? And the misbehaving crop machines? Guess I wasn't engrossed enough to get it.
quote:they didn't have enough time for the characters or movie watchers to cover other worlds. Keep in mind, he was in a hurry to get home and the movie was already far too long.
We should have seen more of the distant worlds, Waterwold and Iceworld. What's the point of having a star-hopping movie without the expected visual payoffs? Even Avatar understood that.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:01 am to Croacka
The one way that humans could have survived even without cooper contacting his daughter is because of the embryos that Hathaway had on the new planet. She was preparing to execute plan B by starting a new civilization with those embryos, whether cooper contacted his daughter or not.
This only explains part of your problem though
This only explains part of your problem though
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:01 am to Rex
Still haven't watched it yet. Maybe this weekend, maybe not.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:02 am to Croacka
I'm not ashamed at all to say that someone cut some onions in my house when he finally saw murph on her death bed.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:13 am to Croacka
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The one way that humans could have survived even without cooper contacting his daughter is because of the embryos that Hathaway had on the new planet. She was preparing to execute plan B by starting a new civilization with those embryos, whether cooper contacted his daughter or not.
This only explains part of your problem though
Right. See, I thought the same thing at first and then I remembered: the only reason she could travel to these distant planets was because of the wormhole which was created by the 5th Dimensional beings. Again, this doesn't solve the time paradox as it necessarily means that humanity saves humanity after evolving beyond 3 dimensional beings but they couldn't have survived in the first place unless some 5th dimensional being saved them then.
So yeah, I think that may be the implication--that Cooper and Brand start another human race on this planet, but it doesn't untie this Gordian Knot.
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