re: Snowpiercer

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I always root for the wealthy class in those types of films

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Same. They're always punished for having paper. Not their fault they worked hard at life.

I thought the movie was an above average flick because it was something that I thought was totally different and not something I'd seen before with the whole "class" type of film. I did almost turn it off when Allison Pill's cameo came up. I'v hated her since the Newsroom and It just pissed me off to see her in the movie.

I have to tell you, this was one hell of a fun time to watch.

It gets LOTS of shite for having more plot holes than swiss cheese but the quality of the story is obviously not the point of the movie. Its just a fun ride with good acting and a refreshing style.

I thought fight scene in the dark was pretty cool but other than that meh

in a rare disagreement with SFP, I enjoyed it.

some great scenes, especially the egg scene and that scene where they open the car to reveal all of the guys in the black masks

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I enjoyed it. A lot more violent and brutal than I was anticipating. I didn't really care for the ending though.

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This. Very interesting. A good watch.

I went into it thinking it wasn't going to be very good, so I was pleasantly surprised. It actually had a little Bioshock feel to it for the gamers here, especially the scene in the education car. I think it did a better job than stuff like Elysium by not completely beating you over the head with the political stuff. Yes it was very present, but it didn't distract me from the movie, even though I usually get annoyed by that stuff easily.

You missed the good shite. That's why

I think the movie is f'n brilliant. People criticizing realism regarding the polar bear are, frankly, morons. It's a movie in which the major plot device is a PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE. How about we grant that the movie is not grounded in reality, and is instead a formalistic dark fairy tale? The movie never attempts to make its setting "realistic". It's a damn allegory.

The visuals are amazing. It has one of the single best fight sequences in any film, the fight in the tunnel (which also starts with a guy cutting open a carp with a hatchet... again, grounded realism is not a real high priority). So the movie works as just a straight action film.

But that's not what makes it great. What makes it great is that it's political critique is fairly all-encompassing. You have people in this thread bitching about it communist message, as it tells the story of the oppressed lower class rising up to destroy its bourgeois oppressors. And a lot of people latched on to that. Yay, the 1% is getting slaughtered!

But here's the thing, that completely misreads the film. The important part of the climax, and THAR BE SPOLIERS AHEAD, is that the communist revolution is part and parcel of the capitalist system on the train. And it's not really a capitalist system, because as Ed Harris tells us, it is a static system that cannot change. That's an anathema to capitalism, which thrives on change and innovation. This system is designed to crush innovation of any sort.

The ruling class in this film needs periodic revolts if only to unite the classes against one another. this critique is so on point that people in this very thread fell into their roles and cannot break out of the paradigm, even when they think they are (rooting for the rich people to slaughter the poor people).

But here's the thing, Chris Evans is not the hero of the film. The drug-addicted couple is. Because they are the only ones who can see the class struggle, as advocated by communist and capitalist dogma, is a bunch of BS. It is not a wall, it's just a door. The only solution, the only true revolution, is to stop the train. That means not revolution to just put a new dictator on the throne (SEE Cuba, USSR, Venezuela, Yugoslavia, etc), but to completely dismantle the system as it existed. To go to the complete unknown...

... to innovate. They are the only characters who actually take risk. They are the ones who attempt to break free of the paradigm and create an entirely new reality. They are advocating, politically, pure libertarianism. They are advocating a full breakdown of all political structure, and starting from scratch. Now, as a political theory, that's not really a workable model, but as a radical piece of filmmaking, it really shows how timid your standard "radical" communists are, advocating a century's old idea.

The polar bear shows that life finds a way to survive. It's a metaphor.

Yep

I thought it was really good, though the ending was far too abstract for my liking. It's not like two individuals (females) who have never lived outside of the train can repopulate the earth and survive.


My grandfather wouldn't give it a second of credibility in the hypothetical event that Al Gore was right to some degree