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re: Sight and Sound poll OUT -- Vertigo #1

Posted on 8/1/12 at 9:13 pm to
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 8/1/12 at 9:13 pm to
quote:

Vertigo (Hitchcock, 1958)
Citizen Kane (Welles, 1941)
Tokyo Story (Ozu, 1953)
La Règle du jeu (Renoir, 1939)
Sunrise: a Song for Two Humans (Murnau, 1927)
2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick, 1968)
The Searchers (Ford, 1956)
Man with a Movie Camera (Dziga Vertov, 1929)
The Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer, 1927)
8 ½ (Fellini, 1963)



I haven't seen half of these. Just Vertigo, Citizen Kane, The Searchers, and 2001. I've been meaning to watch Tokyo Story for some time though.
Posted by Bayou Sam
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Posted on 8/1/12 at 9:15 pm to
Ebert's getting senile...putting Aguirre and that jesuitical malick sentimental stuff in the same list is beyond contradictory.
Posted by The Seaward
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Posted on 8/1/12 at 9:15 pm to
Damn. I have only seen the top two (I would agree with their order there though).
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 8/1/12 at 9:25 pm to
I've seen them all except Tokyo Story

I would not put Vertigo or 8 ½ on the list

I would not put 2001 anywhere near it
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 8/1/12 at 9:28 pm to
I've never even heard of La Regle du jeu and Sunrise: a Song for Two Humans.
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 8/1/12 at 9:35 pm to
La Regle du jeu = Rules Of The Game (Jean Renoir)

Watch online

Sunrise is a Hollywood film directed by F.W. Nurnau, who had made Nosferatu in Germany

Watch online
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 8/1/12 at 9:42 pm to
Maybe Vertigo winning was a mistake, since they made at least one other one on the lists:

quote:

Sunrise: a Song for Two Humans


Posted by Zamoro10
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Posted on 8/1/12 at 10:49 pm to
quote:


Perhaps the scariest post in M/TV history


Why?
Posted by Bayou Sam
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Posted on 8/1/12 at 11:04 pm to
Here's the top 50 in case any were curious:

LINK
Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 8/1/12 at 11:14 pm to
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Sunrise: a Song for Two Humans.


Worth watching. Quite brilliant. If City Lights didn't make me feel like I was floating on a cloud every time I watch it, this might be my favorite silent film.
Posted by Zamoro10
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Posted on 8/2/12 at 9:25 am to
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Kafka


Nice reply after your obnoxious post.

Grow up dude.
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 8/2/12 at 11:20 am to
I love sunrise as well. Great film, though I agree about City Lights.

I do think this list is beginning to drift into canon. While S&S used to be pretty radical with lots of movement between the polls, it now seems we are settling in to a somewhat stodgy "everything great has already been done" kind of list. I am disturbed there isn't a film post-1970 on it, particularly since the 1970s are a golden age of film.

These are a lot of Foundational Films, and they are important and even great to watch now, but it gives the impression that movies aren't moving forward as a medium. And it is. Quite radically.

Also, look at the truly great directors absent -- no Bergman, Scorcese, or Kurosawa? That's pretty much, along with Hitchcock, where your film education should begin.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 8/2/12 at 11:42 am to
Also why make a big deal of doing it every ten years if its just going to be the same movies just in a different order every time? "Do the critics call each other and say 'O wowo you put Vertigo number one this year instad of three?? You are a badass.'"
Posted by saintsfan92612
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Posted on 8/2/12 at 11:49 am to
I like the director's list much better than the critic's list.

I don't really understand the love for Vertigo, but I haven't seen it in years. Maybe I'd like it better on a repeat viewing.
Posted by GeauxTGRZ
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Posted on 8/14/12 at 10:06 pm to
BUMP

Citizen Kane is the greatest film of all time.

here's two quotes i pulled from the article
LINK
quote:

In the last decade I’ve watched this first feature many times, and each time, it reveals new treasures. Clearly, no single film is the greatest ever made. But if there were one, for me Kane would now be the strongest contender, bar none—Geoff Andrew

All celluloid life is present in Citizen Kane; seeing it for the first or umpteenth time remains a revelation—Trevor Johnston


you can break down every scene in citizen kane and find it's brilliancy. the way it was shot. the way it sounds. the way it looks.

no movie before and no movie since...
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 8/14/12 at 10:07 pm to
By far the most interesting thing about this poll is that the guy in charge allegedly made it very clear to voters that he did not want Citizen Kane to win again
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 8/16/12 at 8:46 pm to
quote:

By far the most interesting thing about this poll is that the guy in charge allegedly made it very clear to voters that he did not want Citizen Kane to win again


Ballot of Ferenc Zalaba
Chief editor, aeonflux.freeblog.hu and dvdextra.hu; Managing director, cornerfilm.hu

Alien 1979
Anchorman 2004
Duel 1971
Empire Strikes Back, The 1980
Miller's Crossing 1990
Night On Earth 1991
Once Upon a Time in the West 1968
Terminator, The 1984
Thing, The 1982
Usual Suspects, The 1995

Yes, he voted for Anchorman
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 8/16/12 at 8:50 pm to
That ballot is awesome. What's wrong with voting for a comedy, which is one of the hardest kind of films to make?
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 8/16/12 at 9:01 pm to
quote:

That ballot is awesome.


I don't want to waste my time arguing with El Gaucho. Do you really believe most of those films belong in a discussion of the ten greatest of all time?

At best, it's an upset-the-apple-cart-just-to-see-which-way-the-apples-roll list (from D.H. Lawrence's "A Sane Revolution", the anthem of pointless immature rebellion). Change for the sake of change.

At worst, he really believes in that list. And that's scary.

quote:

What's wrong with voting for a comedy, which is one of the hardest kind of films to make?


Are we voting for what's on the screen or degree of difficulty of production? Titanic was pretty tough to make too.

And specifically, Anchorman is not a great comedy. It's not even a particularly good comedy. And I don't have to bring up Buster Keaton or the Marx Brothers. There are dozens of episodes of Get Smart or Futurama that blow Anchorman out of the water.
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 8/16/12 at 9:11 pm to
While that wouldn't be my list, I think that list is pretty defensible. I think comedies are generally underrated and while I would likely choose a different comedy, I have no problem with someone selecting a comedy. And everything else on that list likely showed up on at least one other ballot. Hell, I would certainly vote for the The Thing as one of the top ten films ever made, and I would strongly consider Alien, Empire, and Once Upon a Time for my personal list.
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