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Remakes, Reboots...

Posted on 6/4/15 at 11:45 am
Posted by classictiger
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Posted on 6/4/15 at 11:45 am
...or as I prefer to call it, a lack of originality in Hollywood production and audience consumption

Here is list of the remake explosion. Some I did not know about like Point Break.

LINK
Posted by ipodking
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Posted on 6/4/15 at 11:49 am to
I didn't know CBS was doing a Rush Hour series
Posted by TotesMcGotes
New York, New York
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 6/4/15 at 12:02 pm to
Obligatory - please point to a time when Hollywood was original.
Posted by classictiger
Member since Mar 2007
5795 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 12:35 pm to
quote:

Obligatory - please point to a time when Hollywood was original.


Strawman. Everything is relative. If you don't see the difference between past and current eras, then I can't help you.
Posted by TotesMcGotes
New York, New York
Member since Mar 2009
27871 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 12:40 pm to
Can you elaborate on those past eras?
Posted by kizomich
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 6/4/15 at 2:12 pm to
Sequels and remakes have always been part of the deal but that's nearly all there is now. I don't think there's ever been a glut banality like the comic book sequels and reboots we're bombarded with today, at least not in my lifetime and I'm old. Some random weekly box office charts from the past:


Jan 2004

Oct 1997

March 2002

July 1982

Aug 1992

Sept 1999

Jan 1985
Posted by CBLSU316
Far Right of Left
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 6/4/15 at 5:08 pm to
I saw the news of point break a fees days ago.

They better not frick the GOAT movie with that remake.

Utah.....get me two!
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 6/4/15 at 8:08 pm to
quote:

Strawman. Everything is relative. If you don't see the difference between past and current eras, then I can't help you.


They are just being far more blatant about the reboots and remakes, that's all.

Rather than "The Thing," being a remake of "The Thing From Another Planet," Point Break=Point Break. Etc. How many times was Romeo and Juliet made? Hamlet? How many films that won Best Picture were based on a Book, Play or Musical? Plenty.

In terms of sequels, Hollywood has always loved sequels..

For instance

The 80s saw almost every single horror property go to at least three, and many times 5 movies...

Phantasm 1-4
Friday the 13th 1-7
Nightmare on Elm Street 1-6
Ghoulies 1-3
Sleepaway Camp 1 and 2
Halloween 1-6
Texas Chainsaw Massacre 1-3
Evil Dead 1-2
Hellraiser 1-3
Critters 1-2
Toxic Avenger 1-4
Pumpkinhead 1-2
Zombi 2 and Day of the Dead (unofficial)

And so forth...
This post was edited on 6/4/15 at 8:15 pm
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37240 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 8:17 pm to
To add:

Think about it. Before film, Plays/Musical were the dominant form of "go out" entertainment. Make it an event. So MANY of the movies released were based off of that. If it wasn't a play or musical it was a book the other large percentage of time. Now?

The dominant form of modern entertainment is the film, therefore most people, rather than growing up watching plays that they then want to impart/remake onto the screen. People grow, watching film. It's the core of their inspiration, so it's no surprise that people then want to put sometimes the exact same thing on film, and change very little. They want to do their interpretation.

Art is all about imitation, therefore the problem is that film is now, and for the foreseeable future, the dominant form of that imitative act. So it's starting to imitate itself more and more.

Not only that, but now we have access to EVERYTHING. There is almost no such think as regional or local theater. Even if it does exist, there are ways to consume it outside of that locality. We see, and have the ability to consume, everything. So everything becomes far more familiar.

Art is the same. Hollywood is the same, but inspiration has shifted. And we consume differently. We consume an exponential amount of content compared to the past, so we will be inspired by more of it, and we'll recognize more of it ourselves.

/soapbox
This post was edited on 6/4/15 at 8:19 pm
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
39157 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 9:00 pm to
I wonder if people back in the Renaissance said the same thing. "Another painting of the Virgin Mary? Really?" "How many Jesus frescoes do we need?"
Posted by beauchristopher
new orleans
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 6/4/15 at 9:13 pm to
While I agree there's only so much that hasn't already been done before, I still find that a bad comparison. Pretty funny though lol
Posted by classictiger
Member since Mar 2007
5795 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 9:14 pm to
quote:

The 80s saw almost every single horror property go to at least three, and many times 5 movies...

Phantasm 1-4
Friday the 13th 1-7
Nightmare on Elm Street 1-6
Ghoulies 1-3
Sleepaway Camp 1 and 2
Halloween 1-6
Texas Chainsaw Massacre 1-3
Evil Dead 1-2
Hellraiser 1-3
Critters 1-2
Toxic Avenger 1-4
Pumpkinhead 1-2
Zombi 2 and Day of the Dead (unofficial)


None of these are mainstream movies. These were the exception rather than the norm.

I get that there has always been sequels but it is a matter of degrees. I have never made an argument in absolute terms. Again, if people want to equate any other era to today, it's a strawman argument, imo.
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37240 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 10:07 pm to
quote:

I wonder if people back in the Renaissance said the same thing. "Another painting of the Virgin Mary? Really?" "How many Jesus frescoes do we need?"


Exactly.
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37240 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 10:08 pm to
quote:

None of these are mainstream movies. These were the exception rather than the norm.



These were very much mainstream movies aimed at THE target market for film. Teens and Young Adults.

quote:

Again, if people want to equate any other era to today, it's a strawman argument, imo.


"I won't listen to any argument"

Got it. So why start the thread?
This post was edited on 6/4/15 at 10:09 pm
Posted by classictiger
Member since Mar 2007
5795 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 11:02 pm to
quote:

"I won't listen to any argument"

Got it. So why start the thread?


Generally one uses quotes to actually quote something someone said. I never said the above. I am listening to your argument, I just don't agree with it. I don't consider slasher films in the vein of Friday the 13th with no recognizable lead actors and a half a million dollar budget a mainstream movie. I know it earned a lot of money, but it and its "sequels" do not make it the norm.

Sorry if I have to agree with you in order to start a thread.

Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 6/4/15 at 11:23 pm to
quote:

They are just being far more blatant about the reboots and remakes, that's all.


I'd make the argument though that a quality remake today is far less likely than it was in previous eras. The "we're going to remake this with the opposite race/sex" is the absolute worst form of this IMO.

I'd at least like to see Hollywood stretch further back for remake material if that's the route they're going to go right now.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
98913 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 11:25 pm to
quote:

I wonder if people back in the Renaissance said the same thing. "Another painting of the Virgin Mary? Really?" "How many Jesus frescoes do we need?"





Something else to add is that I also think we've seen a shift of quality writing to TV vs. movies in the last decade or so. The originality we've been wanting in Hollywood in films as of late has been showing up in the form of TV instead.
Posted by Dr RC
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Member since Aug 2011
58035 posts
Posted on 6/5/15 at 2:05 pm to
Ghostbusters 1-2
Beverly Hills Cop 1-3
Back to the Future 1-3
Godfather 1-3
Star Wars 1-3
Indiana Jones 1-4
Star Trek 1-10
48 Hours 1-2
Porky's 1-3
Conan 1-2
Crocodile Dundee 1-3
Airplane 1-2
Revenge of the Nerds 1-4
Police Academy 1-7
Pink Panther 1-8
Karate Kid 1-4
Rambo 1-3
Jame Bond 1-25
Predator 1-2
Terminator 1-4
Missing in Action 1-3
Death Wish 1-5
Dirty Harry 1-5
Die Hard 1-5
Airport 1-4
Look Who's Talking 1-3
Three Men and a Baby 1-2
Arthur 1-2
Bad News Bears 1-3
The Black Stallion 1-2
Superman 1-4
The Omen 1-3
Planet of the Apes 1-5
Rocky 1-6
Alien 1-4
Lethal Weapon 1-4
Jaws 1-4
The Muppets 1-8
Vacation 1-4
Herbie 1-5
Smokey and the Bandit 1-3
Robocop 1-3
Poltergeist 1-3
Psycho 1-3
Oh God 1-3
Mad Max 1-3


yea, these probably shouldnt count either amirite?
This post was edited on 6/5/15 at 2:07 pm
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