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re: Question, GOT the show Red Wedding: spoilers
Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:14 pm to PsychTiger
Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:14 pm to PsychTiger
Well I'm a woman, so Theon alluding to it was really obvious. 
. He all but said "I don't have one anymore!"
. He all but said "I don't have one anymore!"
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 8:15 am to OMLandshark
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Really all Tywin did was promise to not come after them with the entire might of the Seven Kingdoms behind them once they did the most fricked up thing in human history
Walter Frey's son was given title to Riverrun by the king & his daughter is now married to Lord Paramount of the North. His grandsons would be heir to everything North of Harrenhal until you reach the Wall.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 8:33 am to TigerintheNO
Thanks for all of the responses, I did not know about that "law" of protecting people that break bread at your table. I was not trying to sound like I had some great knowledge of what was going to happen, I just wasn't surprised that the guy turned on them. After seeing him for about a minute at that wedding, you could tell there was definitely something off about him. I do agree with what some of you said about how he and his family will probably not last that long especially when they just basically guaranteed that no one will want to bring their ships into that harbor after what they did to the Starks. It seems like that guy wasn't really thinking ahead and just wanted to get revenge and also be on the Lannister's good side. More specifically, the young kings good side. On a side note, I can't wait to see how they kill that kid. He has been trying his hardest to die and it can't be very much longer until he dies. I hope that either Arya kills him or Sansa kills him when he tries to impregnate her. As long as he dies pretty soon, I will be happy.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 9:26 am to TigerintheNO
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Walter Frey's son was given title to Riverrun by the king & his daughter is now married to Lord Paramount of the North. His grandsons would be heir to everything North of Harrenhal until you reach the Wall.
Really he gave Riverrun to his own sister, married off his bastard niece, none of which required all that much compromise from Tywin.
And how did Tywin marry off the North? I know the Tyrion angle, but that had nothing to do with the Red Wedding.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 9:28 am to CalLSU
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On a side note, I can't wait to see how they kill that kid. He has been trying his hardest to die and it can't be very much longer until he dies. I hope that either Arya kills him or Sansa kills him when he tries to impregnate her. As long as he dies pretty soon, I will be happy.
What kid are you talking about?
Posted on 2/25/14 at 9:34 am to OMLandshark
Sounds like Joffrey.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 10:25 am to Korin
Yeah, I was confused if he was referring to Joffrey or Walder Frey. Because Walder's not a kid at all.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 10:39 am to Korin
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If Tywin Lannister wants you to do something, it's not exactly a choice.
Frey could pretty easily have told Lannister to go frick himself and thrown the full weight of his support behind Robb who was basically kicking Lannister arse with the Northmen (and the strategies of Bolton). Frey probably thought the reward was higher with Lannister, though, and he quite obviously didn't take Robb's slight very well, so he threw in with Lannister who had also bought off Bolton (who was pretty pissed at Robb's stupidity and probably saw the writing on the wall).
Had Robb not fricked and married that nurse lady but instead married a Frey, it would have been nigh impossible to turn Frey against Stark. Lannister would have to bankrupt Casterly Rock to buy Frey off. And Bolton would have likely seen that Robb wasn't just some little boy playing at king, but a genuine leader with the understanding that sacrifices, both personal and impersonal, have to be made. He also would have seen that Stark would likely win the war and kept his allegiance.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 10:44 am to LoveThatMoney
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Had Robb not fricked and married that nurse lady but instead married a Frey, it would have been nigh impossible to turn Frey against Stark. Lannister would have to bankrupt Casterly Rock to buy Frey off. And Bolton would have likely seen that Robb wasn't just some little boy playing at king, but a genuine leader with the understanding that sacrifices, both personal and impersonal, have to be made. He also would have seen that Stark would likely win the war and kept his allegiance.
Robb marrying TalisaJeyne was such a dumb move. He pulled a "Ned" and cared more about the girl's honor/loving her than he did about the prize that was in sight.
I also think that had Renly lived, Robb would've combined forces with Renly and would've stepped down from being King in the North.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 10:47 am to ladytiger118
Who screwed up Westeros more, Robb or Cat?
Posted on 2/25/14 at 10:47 am to MLSter
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but idk maybe you are really cool and smarter than everybody
I saw it coming a mile away. Seriously. I knew it would happen as soon as he married Jeyne. He fricked over the biggest supporter of his war campaign. It wasn't because "the kid isn't marrying your daughter." That's shortsighted and doesn't take into account any of the political ramifications that occurred as a result of Robb marrying Jeyne. It was not only a slap in the face, it meant that Frey's play to get his family on the throne was aborted. It meant that the whole reason behind Frey throwing in with Robb in the first place was eviscerated. It also meant that the motivation behind Robb's largest supplier of men went away entirely.
Lannister approached Frey, allowed him to expand his holdings into Riverrun by destroying the Tully family and the Starks simultaneously, and gave him a seat at the winner's table. It was an easy decision to make for Frey, even if Stark ate of salt and bread.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 10:50 am to ladytiger118
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Robb marrying TalisaJeyne was such a dumb move. He pulled a "Ned" and cared more about the girl's honor/loving her than he did about the prize that was in sight.
Yep. Exactly. Robb is Ned 2.0. He is truly Ned's child and his mother sat there and watched it all play out again, which is the most tragic part of it.
But, then again, she's a giant cuntress who I would have kept in the stocks for the remainder of her natural life for freeing my one piece of leverage against my sworn enemy.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 12:12 pm to OMLandshark
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married off his bastard niece
I'm just getting a little fuzzy on the deatails. Who was this again?
Posted on 2/25/14 at 12:25 pm to CalLSU
To the OP: you might want to clarify in your subject line whether this thread is show only (which I suspect) are is looking for input from people who have read the books. Could save some unfortunate spoiling.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 12:28 pm to CalLSU
GUEST RIGHTS
Posted on 2/25/14 at 12:36 pm to Cosmo
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Who screwed up Westeros more, Robb or Cat?
Probably Cat. She trusted Littlefinger, kidnapped Tyrion, and brought him to her batshit crazy sister to be judged.
. Oh and she let the Kingslayer go, and left Bran and Rickon in Winterfell. Don't forget, she hated Jon Snow for something that he couldn't control.This post was edited on 2/25/14 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 2/25/14 at 12:50 pm to LoveThatMoney
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Yep. Exactly. Robb is Ned 2.0. He is truly Ned's child and his mother sat there and watched it all play out again, which is the most tragic part of it.
I see this written a lot but it isn't true. Ned was presented with an almost identical situation prior to marrying Catelyn. He was in love with Ashara Dane but after Brandon was killed by the mad king the alliance with Riverrun depended on his marrying a Tully. His official story even includes a bastard child that may or may not have been from Ashara Dane, yet he married his Tully, sealed his alliance, and won his war; basically everything Robb didn't do.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 12:55 pm to ladytiger118
quote:I don't think the Freys were respected prior to the Red Wedding.
No one respects the Freys post-Red Wedding;
Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:01 pm to ladytiger118
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I also think that had Renly lived, Robb would've combined forces with Renly and would've stepped down from being King in the North.
Renly had agreed to let Robb keep his crown in exchange for the alliance. Renly didn't care if Robb took the North and the Riverlands so long as Renly got the Iron Throne and Loras's arse.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:03 pm to kingbob
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so long as Renly got the Iron Throne and Loras's arse.
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