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Poor Things
Posted on 12/24/23 at 11:46 am
Posted on 12/24/23 at 11:46 am
I’m not usually comfortable starting threads, especially on this board; however, I’m interested if anyone else has seen Poor Things and would like to discuss it. If there is already a thread about this movie, forgive me, I didn’t see it and the search was negative.
Poor Things is a substantial movie and after seeing it, I found I had lots of things to think through.
It’s certainly quirky in many ways and intended to be surreal. I found its mood rather dark, but almost unintentionally so. Or rather, the it starts with may presupposition that include a generally dim view of reality and human existence in general.
Like the original Frankenstein, it chooses the theme of man playing God, being a creator of life. But unlike the original, it doesn’t seem to come to the conclusion that we aren’t equipped to be god-like, and we make a mess of things when we try. The original had a sort of Tower of Babble message to it.
Poor Things seems to be saying that reality is truly messed up, especially the oppressive culture (civilization, male patriarchy, capitalism, etc.) and that our experimentation in playing god is no worse, and perhaps is better since it tears down the abusive parts of culture.
I could go into great detail about the false presuppositions this movie makes, especially in the realm of sexuality, but I would first like to hear other perspectives.
Regarding the production of the film, it was top notch. The use of color (black and white, sepia, various monochromes, pastels, etc) certainly had symbolic meanings, some more intelligible to me than others.
Emma Stone’s acting was excellent, maybe award worthy, but I personally did not find her that attractive, which was a problem in this particular role.
Mark Ruffalo was good but not great. His portrayal suffered in the later acts, IMO.
Willem DaFoe was as outstanding as you would expect. Probably deserves an Oscar.
In the end, I really didn’t like how the film concluded or how the main character was able to grow and develop. Her story arc (which was massive) simply wasn’t properly supported or explained in many ways.
(Small spoiler alert below:)
Are we supposed to just take for granted that this strange journey was simply explainable by an infant’s mind being placed in an adult body? If so, that might have been a more fun journey, but the messaging was much more Hegelian than that.
I’m very curious to hear what others think.
Poor Things is a substantial movie and after seeing it, I found I had lots of things to think through.
It’s certainly quirky in many ways and intended to be surreal. I found its mood rather dark, but almost unintentionally so. Or rather, the it starts with may presupposition that include a generally dim view of reality and human existence in general.
Like the original Frankenstein, it chooses the theme of man playing God, being a creator of life. But unlike the original, it doesn’t seem to come to the conclusion that we aren’t equipped to be god-like, and we make a mess of things when we try. The original had a sort of Tower of Babble message to it.
Poor Things seems to be saying that reality is truly messed up, especially the oppressive culture (civilization, male patriarchy, capitalism, etc.) and that our experimentation in playing god is no worse, and perhaps is better since it tears down the abusive parts of culture.
I could go into great detail about the false presuppositions this movie makes, especially in the realm of sexuality, but I would first like to hear other perspectives.
Regarding the production of the film, it was top notch. The use of color (black and white, sepia, various monochromes, pastels, etc) certainly had symbolic meanings, some more intelligible to me than others.
Emma Stone’s acting was excellent, maybe award worthy, but I personally did not find her that attractive, which was a problem in this particular role.
Mark Ruffalo was good but not great. His portrayal suffered in the later acts, IMO.
Willem DaFoe was as outstanding as you would expect. Probably deserves an Oscar.
In the end, I really didn’t like how the film concluded or how the main character was able to grow and develop. Her story arc (which was massive) simply wasn’t properly supported or explained in many ways.
(Small spoiler alert below:)
Are we supposed to just take for granted that this strange journey was simply explainable by an infant’s mind being placed in an adult body? If so, that might have been a more fun journey, but the messaging was much more Hegelian than that.
I’m very curious to hear what others think.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 12:00 pm to Jimbeaux
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I’m not usually comfortable starting threads, especially on this board
Wat
Posted on 12/24/23 at 12:08 pm to pevetohead
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Wat
I mean starting 250ish threads in 20 years really isn’t much.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 12:13 pm to BigBinBR
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I mean starting 250ish threads in 20 years really isn’t much.
Yeah, it’s really not that many, but even if that’s disputable, I really do prefer for other people to start the discussion on new movies. But in this case, I took a whack at it.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 12:14 pm to Jimbeaux
I’m gonna get this out of the way for everyone else who is wondering..
Is there a lot of sex and Emma stone nudity ??
Is there a lot of sex and Emma stone nudity ??
Posted on 12/24/23 at 12:20 pm to Lawyered
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I’m gonna get this out of the way for everyone else who is wondering.. Is there a lot of sex and Emma stone nudity ??
Lots and lots of it!
(Frankly, I was disappointed.)
I haven’t seen so much nudity and sex in a non-porno since Bolero!
This post was edited on 12/24/23 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 12/24/23 at 1:18 pm to Jimbeaux
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I’m not usually comfortable starting threads, especially on this board;
You shouldn’t be uncomfortable. This is a good movie review thread.
Poor Things isn’t really my bag but you’ve piqued my interest and I’ll likely check it out for free when it hits streaming.
This post was edited on 12/24/23 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 12/24/23 at 1:50 pm to Murray
I haven’t watched it, but I’ve seen three movies from this director.
I really liked the Lobster. I didn’t care for the Killing of a Sacred Deer, and while I also didn’t like Dogtooth, I must admit he comes up with very original ideas.
I really liked the Lobster. I didn’t care for the Killing of a Sacred Deer, and while I also didn’t like Dogtooth, I must admit he comes up with very original ideas.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 2:02 pm to Jimbeaux
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I’m not usually comfortable starting threads
Poor thing.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 2:42 pm to Jimbeaux
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Poor Things seems to be saying that reality is truly messed up, especially the oppressive culture (civilization, male patriarchy, capitalism, etc.) and that our experimentation in playing god is no worse, and perhaps is better since it tears down the abusive parts of culture.
Reanimating dead people brings down the patriarchy and capitalism? And civilization = oppressive culture?
Posted on 12/24/23 at 3:00 pm to rebelrouser
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Reanimating dead people brings down the patriarchy and capitalism? And civilization = oppressive culture?
That seems to be the critique. Clearly a flawed critique.
The movie, like the pastiche of critical ideologies, fails to even attempt to create a workable system or “way forward”.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 4:37 pm to Jimbeaux
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movie, like the pastiche of critical ideologies, fails to even attempt to create a workable system or “way forward”.
The appeal of something different. LSU fans will recognize this in ourselves as the desires to fire the head coach and wonder about the merits of the second string quarterback. Zarathustra wanted to wipe the table clean and make man start anew.
Aside from the sports obsessed and barista populations most people grow up enough to understand civilization and reality are more imperfect than we should wish but raging about the difference between an ought and an is is not useful in a real world sense.
Posted on 12/25/23 at 8:32 am to Lawyered
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Is there a lot of sex and Emma stone nudity ??
Saw it a couple weeks ago
Stone is nude for like 20% of the film. Graphic sex, dirty talk, and full nudity. I don’t know what the rating is, but it is somewhere between NC17 and X.
I see this described by critics as a feminist film, but it felt more like euro porn from the 70s
This post was edited on 12/25/23 at 8:35 am
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