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re: OJ Simpson: Made in America 30 for 30
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:29 am to TheCaterpillar
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:29 am to TheCaterpillar
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There are still black people that don't think he did it.
That doesn't bother me all that much, to be honest. If you sincerely believe he didn't do it (and therefore, you're ignorant of all the evidence and the relative unavailability of any alternate theories), then you should think the criminal verdict was just.
It's the black folks who think he killed those 2 people and that it was okay that he got off because "Rodney King" or a thousand other bullshite reasons. We can never make any progress if think like that.
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Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:31 am to Croacka
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The bronco chase was pretty much all the evidence anyone should need.
No innocent man does that...with a gun to his head
When police informed him his ex-wife died and he didnt ask how she died is pretty damning too.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:38 am to Ace Midnight
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If she was lead why didn't she just not allow him to do it?
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She didn't overrule him, but she advised against it. It happens with trial teams.
I saw her, the director of the documentary and Carl E. Douglas on PBS with Charlie Rose last week. She said people thought she was his boss, but that really wasn't the case. She literally said they were a team.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:41 am to chinese58
You can see her shooting daggers with her eyes at him as he announces his intentions.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 2:14 pm to rondo
Oj had to have cleaned up and used a different vehicle
Posted on 6/22/16 at 2:39 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
It's the black folks who think he killed those 2 people and that it was okay that he got off because "Rodney King" or a thousand other bullshite reasons. We can never make any progress if think like that.
What i dont get is the balance sheet of all this. I thought the riots were because of Rodney King. I thought that innocent truck driver was beaten because of Rodney King. So now we need steal the justice of two people because of Rodney King? It has nothing to do with Rodney King. Those black people arent actually angry about all of this. Theyll never admit it. They dont give a frick about this shite. They arent hurt by it.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 3:48 pm to Ace Midnight
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She didn't overrule him, but she advised against it. It happens with trial teams. You want to reserve "overriding" - especially if that lawyer is responsible for that particular area. Trial is an art, not a science. He was put on the team to provide a connection to black jurors, although I think he did a fine job with various parts of the trial. The gloves were not his finest hour, but he got played. Bailey would have done it anyway. They should have been prepared and gotten it stopped. 8 months or whatever, they could have gotten a glove expert, arthritis expert to explain all of that for the jury.
I wonder if she was overcompensating for basically waving off Darden's misgivings about putting Fuhrman on the stand. I mean supposedly he was pretty strongly against that.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 3:54 pm to montanagator
I don't think they had a choice in putting Furhman on the stand. I think they had to. The defense would have put him on if the prosecution didn't.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 8:53 pm to Gris Gris
They had to put Fuhrman on or they couldn't use the glove found at his home.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 4:20 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:This should be the tagline of the whole documentary.
The trial only superficially involved the murders of Brown and Goldman - it was really a trail of the LAPD and LA District Attorney's office.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 8:11 pm to Winkface
The filmmakers really should have spliced in flashbacks of Darden saying that the N word was too inflammatory and would blind the jury to the evidence and Cochran grandstanding faux outrage at the notion of it as they showed each juror basically saying they immediately couldn't believe anything he said after hearing his use of the word a decade earlier.
For all of the grief the prosecution received for their gaffes, most of it very much deserved, Darden was really right on point with his vision of what Cochran was going to try to do and how the jury would fall for it.
Felt awful watching him get sold down the river during that exchange and would have liked a call back to that to redeem him somewhat after taking so much heat throughout the trial.
For all of the grief the prosecution received for their gaffes, most of it very much deserved, Darden was really right on point with his vision of what Cochran was going to try to do and how the jury would fall for it.
Felt awful watching him get sold down the river during that exchange and would have liked a call back to that to redeem him somewhat after taking so much heat throughout the trial.
This post was edited on 6/23/16 at 8:16 pm
Posted on 7/16/16 at 7:31 pm to STLhog
Sorry for the bump.
I just now finished the first 4 episodes. This is really something else. Probably ESPN's greatest 30/30 by a large margin.
Looking forward to episode 5. But binge watching the first 4 is enough for one day.
Question: did the televised version show the graphic crime scene photos that the streaming version did?
I have seen the body pictures and face down/slumped pictures many times over the years...but I have never ever seen the nearly decapitating wound to nichole until it was shown episode 4. I am surprised they showed that one and the ones to ron's neck....that was VERY intense. Also having that guy giving the play by play of how it most likely or plauisbly went down, step by step while using those photos as the backdrop...wow. Intense television.
Also Johnny's closing argument...sheesh..that guy knew what to say..but damn that was dirty.
I still remember that summer and the year following it quite well.
Again, hell of a series.
I just now finished the first 4 episodes. This is really something else. Probably ESPN's greatest 30/30 by a large margin.
Looking forward to episode 5. But binge watching the first 4 is enough for one day.
Question: did the televised version show the graphic crime scene photos that the streaming version did?
I have seen the body pictures and face down/slumped pictures many times over the years...but I have never ever seen the nearly decapitating wound to nichole until it was shown episode 4. I am surprised they showed that one and the ones to ron's neck....that was VERY intense. Also having that guy giving the play by play of how it most likely or plauisbly went down, step by step while using those photos as the backdrop...wow. Intense television.
Also Johnny's closing argument...sheesh..that guy knew what to say..but damn that was dirty.
I still remember that summer and the year following it quite well.
Again, hell of a series.
This post was edited on 7/16/16 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 7/16/16 at 10:30 pm to Drank
Yeah they showed all of the photos on tv... I thought it was pretty rough for television at the time, then Shep Smith showed people getting shot like 3 days in a row last week.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 6:45 am to Winkface
I thought that's what she said too until I listened again. She said 'kente cloth' (from Wikidpedia) is a type of silk and cotton fabric made of interwoven cloth strips and is native to the Akan ethnic group of South Ghana.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 7:21 am to Hester Carries
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I thought the riots were because of Rodney King.
from what I gathered, it was the last straw. I thought it said it on the doc that African Americans anticipated that those cops would get off.
also, the teenage girl getting shot in back of the head was disgusting. That Korean lady should have served time for that.
they've convicted people for way less in other cases. There isn't a logical explanation for that ruling in my opinion.
quote:Agree and disagree.
They dont give a frick about this shite.
They trashed their own communities which doesn't make sense to me.
But at the same time they had a legit gripe against the LAPD. The doc talks about it over and over again how the LAPD just sort of did what they wanted and went unchecked for years.
even though OJ is guilty as hell, I could see how they would be happy with the verdict. It goes way beyond him.. no one on the doc said that it was all about him.
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