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re: Official WandaVision Episode 5 Thread NO SPOILERS PAGE 1
Posted on 2/9/21 at 2:38 pm to tigers25
Posted on 2/9/21 at 2:38 pm to tigers25
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I think it is pretty clear that Wanda went and got Visions body pretty shortly after Tony’s funeral in 2023.
This. Obviously we don't know the exact days but we know Rambeau back reported to SWORD after she came back from being dusted and her first mission was to Westview.
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Posted on 2/9/21 at 2:48 pm to theGarnetWay
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I think it is pretty clear that Wanda went and got Visions body pretty shortly after Tony’s funeral in 2023.
quote:Supposedly, the post credits scene for the last Avengers film was going to have Wanda busting into SWORD and recovering Vision's body. But Feige or the directors decided to go with the sound of Tony's pounding hammer instead.
This. Obviously we don't know the exact days but we know Rambeau back reported to SWORD after she came back from being dusted and her first mission was to Westview.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 2:51 pm to tigers25
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t is a valid point, but I would argue that medically removing the mind stone after tons and tons of thorough tests is different than having some beast rip it out visions head
That’s a logical hypothesis, which is why I see SWORD’s confiscating of Visions body to be illogical on multiple fronts.
-Visions value to The Avengers (who were still hunting Thanos).
-The Avengers code of ethics and their emotional attachment to one of their own
-SWORD, presumably a US organization(though I’ll concede it could be an arm of the UN/world security council) , stepping foot in reclusive Wakanda, an advanced country, with their leadership in complete disarray to grab any tech from the battle
-doing this in the aftermath of The Blip when their manpower was greatly reduced and suffering ptsd in their own right.
- doing so despite their previous mission statement was more space flight focused as opposed to the shift into AI and robotics (clearly after acquiring Vision, Hayward’s top priority)
- whether Marie Rambeau would allow this as she was still with SWORD post operation.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 3:38 pm to TheeRealCarolina
I’ve enjoyed this show so far but I’m starting to get lost because I don’t know much about Marvel characters (especially the ones in this show). I just randomly chose to watch it because it seemed trippy but now it’s getting heavy on the characters and Marvel history. Is there another movie that aligns with this show and will catch me up?
Posted on 2/9/21 at 4:05 pm to tigeroarz1
Age of Ultron
Infinity War
Endgame
For starters. That brings you into the origin of Wanda.
Infinity War
Endgame
For starters. That brings you into the origin of Wanda.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 4:46 pm to tigeroarz1
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. I just randomly chose to watch it because it seemed trippy but now it’s getting heavy on the characters and Marvel history. Is there another movie that aligns with this show and will catch me up?
Disney+ is prompting you with AoU after the episodes.
Add in Civil War to the poster aboves list.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 8:52 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
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We have a pretty good idea what Bruce, Tony, Steve, Nat, Clint and Thor were all up to after the Battle of Wakanda where Vision died.
Well Tony was lost in space with Nebula for weeks and the rest were back at HQ trying to figure out what the hell happened and what to do next. I’m sure in that time period that Vision was turned over because Heyward did mention that Vision’s will stated that he wanted to be hidden away so his body couldn’t be turned into a weapon.
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Well, Tony continued tinker in his garage and Bruce was experimenting on himself. Two his creators aren’t interested in bringing him back to life?
They didn’t have possession of him and even if they could or wanted to, why would they? After they killed Thanos, they just started putting the pieces back together. They and the rest of the world were still putting everything back to together, trying to find a way to move on and then Scott re-emerges.
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But besides that after The Blip, earths mightiest heroes just left him for SWORD to pick up? Not take him back to HQ? A brother in arms while they are grief stricken?
Who says they weren’t the ones to take him there?
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You’re telling me, Mister “We don’t sacrifice lives” is going to leave his corpse.
I never said that. And it’s clear that that wasn’t the case anyways so what’s your point?
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not sure Sam and Bucky aren’t on the run at some point.
I’m pretty sure the whole “bringing back half of the universe” bit gives them a mulligan on past bureaucratic offenses especially when it’s clear the governments of the world don’t know shite about frick.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 1:43 am to TheeRealCarolina
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They didn’t have possession of him and even if they could or wanted to, why would they?
Is that a serious question? Why wouldn’t The Avengers themselves want his remains? The answer again is in my previous post.
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I never said that. And it’s clear that that wasn’t the case anyways so what’s your point?
That it doesn’t make sense in any logical way given what you know about the characters’ principles.
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Who says they weren’t the ones to take him there?
Yeah, right after they stopped for shawarma.
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I’m pretty sure the whole “bringing back half of the universe” bit gives them a mulligan on past bureaucratic offenses especially when it’s clear the governments of the world don’t know shite about frick.
And yet, a clandestine government agency is running point on an Avenger case, not calling The Avengers.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 10:05 am to Oates Mustache
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Age of Ultron Infinity War Endgame For starters. That brings you into the origin of Wanda.
I’ll add civil war too. That’s when Wanda and Vision build their relationship.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 10:56 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
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And yet, a clandestine government agency is running point on an Avenger case, not calling The Avengers.
And thus far, what reason would they have for calling them? She hasn’t harmed anyone other than SWORD agents and a drone. Beyond that, we don’t know where each of them are and what they have going on. Whose to say they won’t reach out to one, given what we already know for a future film?
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:11 am to TheeRealCarolina
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And thus far, what reason would they have for calling them?
Because one of their teammates has 3,000 innocent people held hostage in an alternate reality bubble?
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Beyond that, we don’t know where each of them are and what they have going on.
Its 3 weeks after Endgame, they are likely still repairing HQ.
But again, the premise of SWORD picking up Vision is an illogical premise at this point. The Avengers would have, based on their previous actions and moral code, kept him with them.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:20 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
Do the Avengers even exist anymore?
I’d be willing to bet the next team called Avengers has yet to be formed.
I’d be willing to bet the next team called Avengers has yet to be formed.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:55 am to Philzilla2k
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Do the Avengers even exist anymore? I’d be willing to bet the next team called Avengers has yet to be formed.
I’ve pondered that question many times before, including in this thread.
We know the bond between these heroes exists. They might work together but they are “friends from work”
They are the most famous people in the world and three weeks ago they saved the universe.
Their HQ is still being rebuilt and Tony’s funeral was only 2 weeks ago (or so).
They didn’t just disappear.
If anyone is going to talk her off a ledge it’s them.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 12:42 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
quote:Yeah I'm kinda wondering now why Tony and Bruce wouldn't have kept exploring reanimating vision once Tony was back. I mean Bruce knew about what Shuri was doing. Unless it just wasn't worth the hassle to try since they were so defeated at that point.
But again, the premise of SWORD picking up Vision is an illogical premise at this point. The Avengers would have, based on their previous actions and moral code, kept him with them.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 12:50 pm to Oates Mustache
In Infinity War Vision said the stone could be destroyed by Wanda and she did destroy it. Is she powerful enough to bring Vision back without the stone? ??
Posted on 2/10/21 at 1:02 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
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Because one of their teammates has 3,000 innocent people held hostage in an alternate reality bubble?
They will reach out to one by the end.
If the feds call the Avengers for every superpowered threat then whats the use of FBI/CIA/Sword etc..they probably feel inadequate and want to handle something on their own but will realize they cant...enter Dr Strange.
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Posted on 2/10/21 at 2:05 pm to Philzilla2k
quote:So, right after Endgame (like, 1st month):
Do the Avengers even exist anymore?
I’d be willing to bet the next team called Avengers has yet to be formed.
Tony's dead. Steve is gone (back in the past). That's the core leadership, out.
Thor is gone with the GOTG, so he's out, and he was burnt out anyway. So that covers the Big 3.
Clint- his family is back, and Nat (his best friend) is gone, after sacrificing herself in front of him. So while he might have some connection to Wanda emotionally, he's probably way overloaded and is back at the farm.
Ant-Man just got back, his family just returned, his life is in chaos and he doesn't know her.
Spiderman is just back, and he's a kid.
Rhodey, Falcon and Bucky are basically wingmen, little connection to anyone. They're probably trying to figure out what to do in general right now. -New series on the way.
Strange went back to doing wizard stuff. He WILL seemingly become involved.
Bruce is a big question mark; seems like he may be around, as is Carol. But then looking at timelines, Bruce never met Wanda until the fight against Ultron at the end of AOU, and then left Earth... and then met her again for a couple days in Infinity War before she dusted. Carol likely left Earth again.
There's really nobody with any connection to Wanda, able to reach out, if you think about it.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 2:15 pm to TheeRealCarolina
The craziest thing Marvel has ever done has been getting me to care about Vision. Who would have ever thought? He was so meh in every movie with the exception of Infinity War 
Paul Bethany has been excellent in this.
Paul Bethany has been excellent in this.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 2:54 pm to Bottom9
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The craziest thing Marvel has ever done
Try to get me to give two iotas of a crap about Captain Marvel.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 2:57 pm to Mperry52
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Infinity War Vision said the stone could be destroyed by Wanda and she did destroy it. Is she powerful enough to bring Vision back without the stone? ??
I think that's the question everyone is waiting to see the answer to. I personally think he's real, either by her scooping his energy force out of another dimension, actually creating him (as we've seen her create other things) or she's using her stone power to just sustain a version of him.
He's at least aware that he's real but doesn't understand it. It's really crazy if you think about it.
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