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Posted on 2/1/16 at 11:50 am to H-Town Tiger
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I think it is the best season of any show I've seen.
I definitely think it ranks up there with best opening seasons of all time. It has to.
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The characters have depth, not just extreme cliches of good cops and bad drug dealers or even bad cops. We see the true nature of the bureaucracy and how big of a role politics plays in even murder investigations.
It's the bureaucracy that has me the most interested at this point I think. Especially getting into S2 and seeing Valchek abuse his power and connections all because of some silly church window. But on top of that, we see so many times throughout S1 people trying to avoid cases or dump cases onto other people/departments. We see people trying to take good people from one place or pawn off shitty people onto other divisions. We see upper management trying to get numbers up no matter the cost, and even at the detriment of a month-long (or longer) case that was being built.
The bureaucracy is hella interesting to me this time around, and not something I paid as much attention to the first time I watched it.
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Some of the best moments are when the police are doing real police work.
That's one reason I like Jimmy so much. He's such a fricking a-hole, and a worthless drunk most of the time...he's a terrible husband and father. But at the end of the day, he's good police and knows what the frick he is doing. And he's not afraid to speak his mind about things that he cares about, and most of the time those are job-related things.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 11:56 am to LUS Tiger in FL
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In regards to Prez getting promoted even though he sucks as a cop, its all about who you know. Prez would have been gone long ago if it wasn't for Valchek being his FIL.
Right, but he basically tells Prez straight up that he wants to make him sergeant. Prez is even like "Nah, I don't know about all that," and Valcheck sort of scoffs at him and is like I'll make it happen, I know so and so and blah blah.
It's like he wants to do things solely because he can instead of because it's useful or good. Same thing with this detail on Sobotka. He doesn't give a frick about Sobotka at all, but since he got the church window and Valcheck didn't, he wants to make sure Frank and his union boys are fully investigated. Just because he has a vendetta and a bone to pick about the window.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 11:59 am to reddman
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I took that whole situation as NYC being really cautious about not being seen talking to anyone involved with B&B, due to the wire being up, etc. Hell, the fact that Stringer had to go all the way up to NYC just to meet with their LAWYER kinda shows how careful they are.
Right, I get the caution for sure, like I said. I just don't understand why they'd basically bail on the business partnership so easily.
I guess you could argue that in a business like that, ANY heat is bad heat and the best option is to avoid it altogether. But that's something that seems like it's been going on for a while (since it's such a well-oiled machine and is so profitable). So it's weird that they'd just back out completely and break ties, especially when B&B is still almost fully operational with one of its main people still in charge (String).
Posted on 2/1/16 at 12:02 pm to CocomoLSU
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That's one reason I like Jimmy so much
Jimmy is the fricking man, the Prince of Tides. Even Rawls got a kick out of Jimmy putting that body back on them.
Already in 1st episode of S2- Rawls trying to put the body on the County. No one wants to take responsibility
This had me lmao- Herc "White Dealers need affirmative action, their own set of rules".
Posted on 2/1/16 at 12:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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is roberto and that organization the one taken down by mcnutty's FBI buddy? i never googled it
I'm not sure. I guess it could be, but I would think something would've been made about that on the show since we've seen McNulty and his FBI panda openly talk about their respective cases several times before. And it would've especially been brought up in that meeting he had with them when they tried to take their case federal (and unless I completely missed it, I don't remember it being mentioned).
Posted on 2/1/16 at 12:06 pm to CocomoLSU
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I just don't understand why they'd basically bail on the business partnership so easily
Since the NY guy was in the paper, I think the lawyer was implying it had to do with B&B.
The NY lawyer even said Avon got off light so I think that worried them. Hold off for now, better safe than sorry.
And no doubt Valchek is an a-hole abusing his power like that. Costing the tax payers money.
This post was edited on 2/1/16 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 2/1/16 at 12:13 pm to CocomoLSU
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It's like he wants to do things solely because he can instead of because it's useful or good.
well to be fair, pres is married to his daughter
he likely had this career track planned when prez first asked him for a job with the BPD. dads always want security for their girls
Posted on 2/1/16 at 12:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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dads always want security for their girls
yep, that's why he has him slated for a "quite" district with a M-F shift.
Just interesting to see Prez excited about police work and really wanting to do something useful and Valcek tunes him out. He could not care less about police work, he wants a safe stable career for Prez and gives zero fricks about what Prez wants to do.
This post was edited on 2/1/16 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 2/1/16 at 12:43 pm to LUS Tiger in FL
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Since the NY guy was in the paper, I think the lawyer was implying it had to do with B&B.
The NY lawyer even said Avon got off light so I think that worried them. Hold off for now, better safe than sorry.
I know. I addressed that in my posts already. I'm just saying that it seems odd that they would bail without even so much as have a meeting to discuss things.
Avon is removed from almost everything, and only got the 7 he did because it was his enterprise. And Stringer, who is just as in it as Avon is, walks completely free and still has B&B up and running. They didn't miss a beat with the running, they just need product. So it seems odd that the NYC connect would cut and run so easily, that's all I'm getting at.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 1:05 pm to CocomoLSU
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I'm just saying that it seems odd that they would bail without even so much as have a meeting to discuss things.
How so, Cokes? If I think you've flipped, might be cooperating with the FBI, including being under surveillance and wearing a wire - the last motherfricking thing in the world I'm going to do is meet with you, directly, to discuss a criminal conspiracy.
I mean, I'm getting my fingernails pulled out first, know what I'm saying?
Posted on 2/1/16 at 10:54 pm to CocomoLSU
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It's the bureaucracy that has me the most interested at this point I think. Especially getting into S2 and seeing Valchek abuse his power and connections all because of some silly church window. But on top of that, we see so many times throughout S1 people trying to avoid cases or dump cases onto other people/departments. We see people trying to take good people from one place or pawn off shitty people onto other divisions. We see upper management trying to get numbers up no matter the cost, and even at the detriment of a month-long (or longer) case that was being built.
Yep, I find the way they portray the bureaucracy to be fascinating and probably pretty accurate.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 9:45 am to H-Town Tiger
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Yep, I find the way they portray the bureaucracy to be fascinating and probably pretty accurate.
Over time, perhaps the strongest aspect of the show is this notion that police careers and political considerations override - at least at the upper echelons - any notions about being good police and serving the community. That seems a secondary goal to promotion, power and retirement with a nice pension for those above sergeant.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 11:37 am to Ace Midnight
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perhaps the strongest aspect of the show is this notion that police careers and political considerations override - at least at the upper echelons - any notions about being good police and serving the community. That seems a secondary goal to promotion, power and retirement with a nice pension for those above sergeant.
I can't think of a better exmaple of the iron law of bureaucracy than this show.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 12:22 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I can't think of a better exmaple of the iron law of bureaucracy than this show.
That's one reason S3 is so good. It's all about the government bureaucracy bullshite.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 9:50 pm to CocomoLSU
Ebb Tide:
We open season 2 with Jimmy on the boat, miserable in the cold. They get a call fora disabled Yacht and the D-bag owner bribes him to tow them out of the shipping lane and floating all night while they party. Not quite the Snot Bogie opening
but sets the tone for the main theme with Jimmy and the other cop talking about how their dads were laid off from the now closed or barely open ship yard.
Valchek, what a dick. His SIL is pouring his guts seeking advice on his career and all Valchek cares about is his own fricking legacy with is stained glass window. He not only couldn't care less about police work but doesn't care if Roland has a career he cares about. He's so deep into furthering the interest of himself he can't even fathom that someone cares about the job.
What is with these Pollocks and the church window? I like how the priest calls out both Frank and Stan for never going to mass, but he has no problem taking their cash. Why would the church have a window in the main hall dedicated to one profession and not, you know, some kind of religious scene? Seems like asking for trouble.
Bunk going to the evidence room to get the file on Gant and seeing Daniels. "These MFers don't mess around". And we see why when the evidence cop can't find the evidence cause the form is wrong. But hey at least he gets OT. This is public service, clearly we need bigger gov't
Nice contrast with Bunk, Daniels and Al Rooker looking for the Gant file with Bodie and crew tearing apart the car for the dope that ain't there. Was that a test or was that the stuff they were supposed to get from Roberto. Either way, Bodie passed, but my man was sweating. But in the end he's running a tower now, like a boss. I didn't want to like Bodie the first watch because of Wallace, but man, i love the guy now
Kima definitely whipped
Once again we see Jimmy doing great police work, first calling out Cole for not seeing the defense wounds, then whenJay tells him Rawls stuck it on the county, he does research to stick it back to the the city just to frick Rawls
Even Rawls respects the effort. Of all the great stuff he does in this series, this may be my favorite Jimmy moment.
We open season 2 with Jimmy on the boat, miserable in the cold. They get a call fora disabled Yacht and the D-bag owner bribes him to tow them out of the shipping lane and floating all night while they party. Not quite the Snot Bogie opening
but sets the tone for the main theme with Jimmy and the other cop talking about how their dads were laid off from the now closed or barely open ship yard. Valchek, what a dick. His SIL is pouring his guts seeking advice on his career and all Valchek cares about is his own fricking legacy with is stained glass window. He not only couldn't care less about police work but doesn't care if Roland has a career he cares about. He's so deep into furthering the interest of himself he can't even fathom that someone cares about the job.
What is with these Pollocks and the church window? I like how the priest calls out both Frank and Stan for never going to mass, but he has no problem taking their cash. Why would the church have a window in the main hall dedicated to one profession and not, you know, some kind of religious scene? Seems like asking for trouble.
Bunk going to the evidence room to get the file on Gant and seeing Daniels. "These MFers don't mess around". And we see why when the evidence cop can't find the evidence cause the form is wrong. But hey at least he gets OT. This is public service, clearly we need bigger gov't
Nice contrast with Bunk, Daniels and Al Rooker looking for the Gant file with Bodie and crew tearing apart the car for the dope that ain't there. Was that a test or was that the stuff they were supposed to get from Roberto. Either way, Bodie passed, but my man was sweating. But in the end he's running a tower now, like a boss. I didn't want to like Bodie the first watch because of Wallace, but man, i love the guy now
Kima definitely whipped
Once again we see Jimmy doing great police work, first calling out Cole for not seeing the defense wounds, then whenJay tells him Rawls stuck it on the county, he does research to stick it back to the the city just to frick Rawls
Even Rawls respects the effort. Of all the great stuff he does in this series, this may be my favorite Jimmy moment. This post was edited on 2/2/16 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 2/2/16 at 11:53 pm to CocomoLSU
Collateral Damage:
We start with multiple agencies from state, city and federal playing hot potato with 13 dead girls. Sad how all anyone cares about is not having to do paper work, but the government serves the public good right? What I'm curious about though is how is it not a homicide even if it was accidental? If you kidnap someone and they accidentally die, its a still considered a murder i thought?
Rawls raising a victory fist when he thinks he's dumping the bodies on the PA followed by despondency from the unit when the cases come back. Gotta love the PA CID asking Rawls if he'd like a cup of coffee.
Drunk Bunk and Lester making Jimmy take 14 shots for the bodies he dumped on them. Laughing at Landsman and Rawls staying in his office all day Jimmy says "Stop, you're giving me an erection" So great that he fricks Rawls, too bad Bunk and Lester wind up the collateral damage. "You must know Jimmy McNulty" "He's dead to us" Poor Beadie, she has no idea the world she's come into contact with. She questions Jimmy, you're doing this to get back at your Lt? Not the best motivation, but at least he also thinks the case needs real police.
Valchek abusing his power just because he can. Just a despicable, despicable man. I thought Rawls was the biggest dick and example of the type of person that puts the interest of the bureaucracy over its mission, but on 2nd viewing its Valchek. I think Burrell sees right through him. He know's Valchek just has a personal axe to grind but takes his political support and gives him a detail of completely worthless humps that probably couldn't even catch Frank for failing to signal a lane change, if not, ironically for Prez. Valchek doesn't even realize what a worthless detail he has, i guess when you don't care about police work, you just think they will do what you order them to.
We start with multiple agencies from state, city and federal playing hot potato with 13 dead girls. Sad how all anyone cares about is not having to do paper work, but the government serves the public good right? What I'm curious about though is how is it not a homicide even if it was accidental? If you kidnap someone and they accidentally die, its a still considered a murder i thought?
Rawls raising a victory fist when he thinks he's dumping the bodies on the PA followed by despondency from the unit when the cases come back. Gotta love the PA CID asking Rawls if he'd like a cup of coffee.
Drunk Bunk and Lester making Jimmy take 14 shots for the bodies he dumped on them. Laughing at Landsman and Rawls staying in his office all day Jimmy says "Stop, you're giving me an erection"
So great that he fricks Rawls, too bad Bunk and Lester wind up the collateral damage. "You must know Jimmy McNulty" "He's dead to us" Poor Beadie, she has no idea the world she's come into contact with. She questions Jimmy, you're doing this to get back at your Lt? Not the best motivation, but at least he also thinks the case needs real police. Valchek abusing his power just because he can. Just a despicable, despicable man. I thought Rawls was the biggest dick and example of the type of person that puts the interest of the bureaucracy over its mission, but on 2nd viewing its Valchek. I think Burrell sees right through him. He know's Valchek just has a personal axe to grind but takes his political support and gives him a detail of completely worthless humps that probably couldn't even catch Frank for failing to signal a lane change, if not, ironically for Prez. Valchek doesn't even realize what a worthless detail he has, i guess when you don't care about police work, you just think they will do what you order them to.
This post was edited on 2/3/16 at 12:00 am
Posted on 2/3/16 at 6:45 am to H-Town Tiger
Just finished the series over the weekend. Goddamn that was awesome. My wife even got hooked and she only started during the last half of the 4th season. She was naming characters and putting shite together better than I was. She didn't realize how old this show was and how many actors she likes are in it. She couldn't get over how different Carver is compared to the priest character in TWD. We're going to do another re-watch as soon as we finish up DBZ.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 10:23 am to H-Town Tiger
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Valchek, what a dick. His SIL is pouring his guts seeking advice on his career and all Valchek cares about is his own fricking legacy with is stained glass window. He not only couldn't care less about police work but doesn't care if Roland has a career he cares about. He's so deep into furthering the interest of himself he can't even fathom that someone cares about the job.
And he's a fricking Major! It's pretty sad/scary to think that there are people all over the place just like that...couldn't care less about the actual police work and are more concerned with their public appearances and their "legacy."
And all he wants to do for Prez is set him up on the East side with a nice, cushy job that doesn't require any effort.
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Nice contrast with Bunk, Daniels and Al Rooker looking for the Gant file with Bodie and crew tearing apart the car for the dope that ain't there. Was that a test or was that the stuff they were supposed to get from Roberto. Either way, Bodie passed, but my man was sweating. But in the end he's running a tower now, like a boss. I didn't want to like Bodie the first watch because of Wallace, but man, i love the guy now
I was confused at first as well that it may have just all been a set up by Stringer to test if he/they were trustworthy or not, but we later find out that the product was supposed to be there. String was just using that situation to test his boys and see how loyal and trustworthy they were. And of course Bodie passed. Cuz he's a soldier.
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Once again we see Jimmy doing great police work, first calling out Cole for not seeing the defense wounds, then whenJay tells him Rawls stuck it on the county, he does research to stick it back to the the city just to frick Rawls Even Rawls respects the effort. Of all the great stuff he does in this series, this may be my favorite Jimmy moment.
"How long did you sit there calculating winds and tides to dump the body on Rawls?"
"About three hours."
This post was edited on 2/3/16 at 10:27 am
Posted on 2/3/16 at 10:26 am to H-Town Tiger
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What I'm curious about though is how is it not a homicide even if it was accidental? If you kidnap someone and they accidentally die, its a still considered a murder i thought?
I think it's because they thought it was illegal immigration. Instead of girls being smuggled in on ships while kidnapped, it was instead girls trying to get into the country illegally. So when they died it was just deaths, not homicides. That's my guess at least.
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