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Posted on 12/18/15 at 2:12 pm to Uncle Stu
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it's not that he knew enough about about American History to distinguish Hamilton as NOT being a former president, it's that this kid is so far removed from a proper education, he doesnt have a clue who Hamilton was. I think that's the point they were trying to get across
I think it was - they wanted to show that Wallace was a smart kid, but he had book smarts, not street smarts. But, all of his friends were street kids.
That's how I read it and I don't want to say anymore at this point to risk spoiling certain things for the first time watchers.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 2:39 pm to amiznit
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but for one reason or another ended up working in the streets.
Obviously lost his parents somewhere along the line and he was taking care of his siblings.
I do think he had some book smarts.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 11:55 am to CocomoLSU
Bumped
3rd episode down
3rd episode down
Posted on 12/20/15 at 1:45 pm to LUS Tiger in FL
I got ahead of schedule and am on episode 5 and now I gotta wait for everyone to catch up. 
Posted on 12/20/15 at 9:37 pm to amiznit
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I got ahead of schedule and am on episode 5 and now I gotta wait for everyone to catch up.
I'm on season 5 episode 3.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 7:35 am to TigerattheU
O is updated. 
I'm approaching it the same way. And only a few episodes in it's already easy as hell to see the differences/clashes between offices and departments. It's crazy how unhelpful they are with each other, even when there are murder cases on the line and sharing information could easily help solve some shite.
I believe we get a little more into this as the series goes on, and then it gets more detailed in S3 (IIRC). But it really makes you wonder (and assume) if this is how shite really works in the real world. A lot of times on the show, it seems like it's very much a "If you can't scratch my back, then frick you" situation.
I think SFP touched on it a bit when he said that Dee is spoiled to the game. He has no idea what kind of balls it takes to run it (at the very least in terms of consequences), but he loves to flaunt shite like he's the man. If Avon wasn't his family, he wouldn't be shite.
Sure, he killed that dude before E1, and now apparently killed this black chick in the kitchen. But while you may think that gives him street cred (and I guess it does in a place like the Pit), one of those was a stupid mistake that almost cost the organization big time, and the other one he did simply because they told him to. It's not like Dee is out there making a name for himself.
However, at the same time, he does have some sense to him, and that allows him to be successful at some aspects of it. For example, he ran one of the towers pretty efficiently from what we can tell. And he runs the Pit well, and has those kids in line. And to them, they see his name and hear shite (like about him killing people) and think he's a lot better off than he is. And the flipside to that is that he gets the attention/respect that he thinks he deserves from these kids because he can brag about shite and knows it has their attention...well, most of them. Bodie knows what's up and calls him on his bullshite at times.
So all in all, it's like Dee has the knack for some parts of the game, but at the same time he can't stomach other parts of it, and those parts are just as necessary sometimes. It's almost like he's a wannabe gangsta who's REALLY close to being one, but somehow just isn't cutting it believably. We see that when he runs from Johnny's beating, or when he cracks in the interrogation room, or when he talks in WeeBay's truck, etc.
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I watched for a clearer idea of the police organization and chain of command. It clicked when the two majors are in a meeting with the Deputy Burrell, and then Daniels comes in and sits a row behind them. That was a helpful visual. I also didn’t realize the gulf between the Homicide and the Narcotics Unit. When Daniels tells Kima to overnight a report on Barksdale, he mentions that she could ask Homicide for help but they probably wouldn’t share notes. Also, when Daniels wants Kima to sit in on the D’Angelo interrogation, McNulty barely knows who she is. So I better appreciated their later conversations understanding that they were starting from scratch in the Detail.
I'm approaching it the same way. And only a few episodes in it's already easy as hell to see the differences/clashes between offices and departments. It's crazy how unhelpful they are with each other, even when there are murder cases on the line and sharing information could easily help solve some shite.
I believe we get a little more into this as the series goes on, and then it gets more detailed in S3 (IIRC). But it really makes you wonder (and assume) if this is how shite really works in the real world. A lot of times on the show, it seems like it's very much a "If you can't scratch my back, then frick you" situation.
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With Barksdale’s organization, I’m more interested in characterization, particularly clues that Wallace and D’Angelo might not fit lockstep with the crew. Wallace has some telling little traits right off the bat. He bumbles with the change but knows Hamilton wasn’t a president. D’Angelo cracked in the interrogation room, but he also seemed hesitant at other times in the first two episodes. He seems conflicted about Bodie beating up Johnny Weeks (white herion addict), and that was not a confident stride away from Gant the Witness’ murder scene. Later, when Bodie defiantly leaves the conversation with Bunk and McNulty, D’Angelo peeks over his shoulder and stays put.
I think SFP touched on it a bit when he said that Dee is spoiled to the game. He has no idea what kind of balls it takes to run it (at the very least in terms of consequences), but he loves to flaunt shite like he's the man. If Avon wasn't his family, he wouldn't be shite.
Sure, he killed that dude before E1, and now apparently killed this black chick in the kitchen. But while you may think that gives him street cred (and I guess it does in a place like the Pit), one of those was a stupid mistake that almost cost the organization big time, and the other one he did simply because they told him to. It's not like Dee is out there making a name for himself.
However, at the same time, he does have some sense to him, and that allows him to be successful at some aspects of it. For example, he ran one of the towers pretty efficiently from what we can tell. And he runs the Pit well, and has those kids in line. And to them, they see his name and hear shite (like about him killing people) and think he's a lot better off than he is. And the flipside to that is that he gets the attention/respect that he thinks he deserves from these kids because he can brag about shite and knows it has their attention...well, most of them. Bodie knows what's up and calls him on his bullshite at times.
So all in all, it's like Dee has the knack for some parts of the game, but at the same time he can't stomach other parts of it, and those parts are just as necessary sometimes. It's almost like he's a wannabe gangsta who's REALLY close to being one, but somehow just isn't cutting it believably. We see that when he runs from Johnny's beating, or when he cracks in the interrogation room, or when he talks in WeeBay's truck, etc.
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 7:39 am
Posted on 12/21/15 at 7:53 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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Here's an unpopular opinion: Omar is the worst and least believable character in the show.
Nah, that's Brother Mouzone. He's a caricature.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 8:22 am to CocomoLSU
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If Avon wasn't his family, he wouldn't be shite.
Now, this part is true - Dee is almost the McNulty of the Barksdale organization (we see him influenced by McNulty's assertion that drugs could be sold without violence). He's successful on the "money" side (what should be the most important part), but is softer on the "gangsta" side (in which strong leaders like Avon excel). But, after he killed the cat in the tower, they would have cut him loose as damage control (probably killed him themselves), IF he were not Avon's nephew.
But, as we see in Episode 3 - he is a good earner and might have excelled in someone else's organization - if paired with an appropriate "muscle" gangster.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 9:28 am to Ace Midnight
I can watch The Wire all day everyday. All the interactions between the characters.
Agree if Avon wasnt family, he would be in the ground already. Avon with the dunk but him and Stringer sense something is going down. I think Stringer said that as well in future episode about the bodies. Sting educating Dee about the game when he gae him his bonus.
Lester and his 13yrs 4months ruffling feathers like Jimmy and giving him good advice about not where to end up. Landsman is awesome going to bat for Jimmy.
Bunk and Jimmy at the crime scene of the girl Dee "murdered". That was some good work. Landlord seemed impressed.
If Omar bf doesnt frickup would they have even known it was Omar??
Dont really like Poot. Need to take notes as I am watching lol
Agree if Avon wasnt family, he would be in the ground already. Avon with the dunk but him and Stringer sense something is going down. I think Stringer said that as well in future episode about the bodies. Sting educating Dee about the game when he gae him his bonus.
Lester and his 13yrs 4months ruffling feathers like Jimmy and giving him good advice about not where to end up. Landsman is awesome going to bat for Jimmy.
Bunk and Jimmy at the crime scene of the girl Dee "murdered". That was some good work. Landlord seemed impressed.
If Omar bf doesnt frickup would they have even known it was Omar??
Dont really like Poot. Need to take notes as I am watching lol
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:11 am to Patrick_Bateman
Correct, he was an amazing "TV gangsta" character, but real life in the game, ehh.
I actually have a theory about "New York" characters in the show, but I will wait till we get there in the episodes to discuss more.
I actually have a theory about "New York" characters in the show, but I will wait till we get there in the episodes to discuss more.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:33 am to Patrick_Bateman
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Nah, that's Brother Mouzone. He's a caricature.
I liked Brother Mouzone - I agree that it was right at the line on the screen time of the character - any more and it would have been unbearable - but a very entertaining take on that style of character. And, regardless of what you think of the character and his relative "out of placeness" in B'more - I think the actor, Michael Potts, was fantastic (as is most of the acting in the series - largely unknown outside of this show, the overall level of acting ability is extraordinarily high - one of the highest for such a large cast, particularly of relatively unknown "on the screen" actors - many have impeccable stage credentials).
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:40 am to CocomoLSU
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So all in all, it's like Dee has the knack for some parts of the game, but at the same time he can't stomach other parts of it, and those parts are just as necessary sometimes. It's almost like he's a wannabe gangsta who's REALLY close to being one, but somehow just isn't cutting it believably. We see that when he runs from Johnny's beating, or when he cracks in the interrogation room, or when he talks in WeeBay's truck, etc.
What Dee is missing is he wants to be a gangsta, but not "carry it/act" like a gangsta 24/7. Man, its so hard not to jump ahead in the show, but I think a theme of the show that we have already seen is that someone is always watching and listening, whether police or gangsta, friend or foe. And when you are at/near the top, even more people are watching. The moment someone sees you slip and gets the jump on you its over.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:46 am to Ace Midnight
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I think the actor, Michael Potts, was fantastic (as is most of the acting in the series - largely unknown outside of this show, the overall level of acting ability is extraordinarily high - one of the highest for such a large cast, particularly of relatively unknown "on the screen" actors - many have impeccable stage credentials).
Yes, every time I watch the show I admire the tremendous job the actor does with the character! As much as I doubt the realness of the character, the actor (Potts) just owns the role.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:21 pm to NOLALGD
Dee is basically stringer bell
The only difference between the two is that D'angelo was born into family that was in the game. Whereas stringer had to start from the bottom. They both looked at the game from a business mindset
The only difference between the two is that D'angelo was born into family that was in the game. Whereas stringer had to start from the bottom. They both looked at the game from a business mindset
Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:57 pm to jamsmiley
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Dee is basically stringer bell
In Episode 3 - that is clear from the "chess" lesson. Dee had no desire to take over the top spot. But, he wanted to be a "smart-arse" pawn and get promoted to Queen - with all due respect to Bodie.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 1:10 pm to jamsmiley
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Dee is basically stringer bell
The only difference between the two is that D'angelo was born into family that was in the game. Whereas stringer had to start from the bottom. They both looked at the game from a business mindset
Eh, I'm not so sure about that. IMO String is MUCH more accustomed to the game and the shite that has to get done..and that's because he started from the bottom and now he's at the top like you said. String has just worked himself to a point where he doesn't have to get his hands as dirty anymore...he has other people to do that for him now. But when he needs to he still can flex his hustle and pull, like in the courtroom, both with that witness and with McNulty.
Admittedly, Stringer is one of my favorite characters on the show, so I am defending him a bit. But still, I think he's leaps and bounds ahead of De'Angelo.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 1:27 pm to CocomoLSU
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I think he's leaps and bounds ahead of De'Angelo.
I think it is clear that Dee realizes this, too. He is modeling himself to be more like Stringer, while still looking up to Avon. But, you can see when he describes the promotion process, "The King stay the king." But, the Queen ("ain't no bitch") is Stringer and he clearly, obviously sees himself in the role in the future - maybe not right at that moment.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 1:35 pm to CocomoLSU
The Buys
It's amazing how much bullshite goes on with departments bargaining with one another and helping/withholding shite, or fricking another department with shite talent, etc. We kind of touched on it earlier, but if that's truly how things are in the real world, it's a wonder how anything ever gets done in big cities in terms of po-leece.
Chess scene. One of the GOAT scenes of the series. And it's just as poignant this time around as it was the first time I watched the show. Add this to yet another awesome scene with awesome analogies to the game (like the McNugget scene), and it goes to show just how little these kids really understand everything going on around them (and how much Bodie gets it).
"The pawns, they get capped quick...they be out the game early..."
"Unless they some smart arse pawns..." Indeed, Bodie. Indeed.
Ole Lester Freamon finally gets into the game.
Omar finally gets into the game. I know there was some talk about Omar a couple pages back and about how unbelievable of a character he is, but I disagree. Somebody in the streets has to be top dog and command respect/fear from everybody else. Omar is that dude in Baltimore.
This episode sort of answered my question last week about McNulty and what he's trying to pull. Clearly he ultimately wants to do good and put a stop to the Barksdale crew, and he's willing to say or do whatever it takes to make that happen. So he's kind of a dick to his peers, but ultimately he's in it for the right reasons.
I forgot how ghetto WeeBay is at first.
Old Cases
Solid metaphor to open the show with the desk and the cops not being able to get on the same page and do anything right (even simple things). Carver's look when he realizes Herc is trying to get it IN the office is hilarious.
So ole Paddy is retiring to go work at a video store because it has hella sales? Something tells me that retirement career move isn't gonna work out as well as he thinks.
And him telling his buddy to take a fall, and him actually considering to do it. It seems to ridiculous on the surface, but I used to work with a room full of blue collar state workers that would've done that shite in a fricking heartbeat had they had the chance. That's not shocking at all for me.
Bodie to De'Angelo: "If you was me, you'd still be in there.." I love Bodie so much already. Love that he recognizes the bullshite and doesn't blindly buy into things like Poot and Wallace do. Also loves that he calls out Dee on his bullshite too, because what he said right there is 100% truth.
Dee talking about that chick he killed...leading up to another GOAT scene of the show. Love the "frick" crime scene part. It's so funny, but it also shows us McNulty and Bunk not only doing actual detective/police work, but doing it really well.
Also, random note: I counted 33 "fricks" in that scene.
It was cool seeign Landsman going to bat for McNulty. I think he's a character that I may come around on this time through the series...for whatever reason, I remember not liking him too much the first time I watched the show.
Another clue into the bullshite and bureaucracy:
"13 years?"
"And 4 months."
"What'd you do to piss them off?"
"Police work."
Ole Lester Freeman bout to drop some serious po-leece work on these fools.
I love how Lester Freamon is telling McNulty when they ask him where he doesn't want to go, to lie. But we've already seen McNulty be asked that and he mentioned the harbor.
It's amazing how much bullshite goes on with departments bargaining with one another and helping/withholding shite, or fricking another department with shite talent, etc. We kind of touched on it earlier, but if that's truly how things are in the real world, it's a wonder how anything ever gets done in big cities in terms of po-leece.
Chess scene. One of the GOAT scenes of the series. And it's just as poignant this time around as it was the first time I watched the show. Add this to yet another awesome scene with awesome analogies to the game (like the McNugget scene), and it goes to show just how little these kids really understand everything going on around them (and how much Bodie gets it).
"The pawns, they get capped quick...they be out the game early..."
"Unless they some smart arse pawns..." Indeed, Bodie. Indeed.
Ole Lester Freamon finally gets into the game.
Omar finally gets into the game.
I know there was some talk about Omar a couple pages back and about how unbelievable of a character he is, but I disagree. Somebody in the streets has to be top dog and command respect/fear from everybody else. Omar is that dude in Baltimore. This episode sort of answered my question last week about McNulty and what he's trying to pull. Clearly he ultimately wants to do good and put a stop to the Barksdale crew, and he's willing to say or do whatever it takes to make that happen. So he's kind of a dick to his peers, but ultimately he's in it for the right reasons.
I forgot how ghetto WeeBay is at first.
Old Cases
Solid metaphor to open the show with the desk and the cops not being able to get on the same page and do anything right (even simple things). Carver's look when he realizes Herc is trying to get it IN the office is hilarious.
So ole Paddy is retiring to go work at a video store because it has hella sales? Something tells me that retirement career move isn't gonna work out as well as he thinks.
And him telling his buddy to take a fall, and him actually considering to do it. It seems to ridiculous on the surface, but I used to work with a room full of blue collar state workers that would've done that shite in a fricking heartbeat had they had the chance. That's not shocking at all for me.
Bodie to De'Angelo: "If you was me, you'd still be in there.." I love Bodie so much already. Love that he recognizes the bullshite and doesn't blindly buy into things like Poot and Wallace do. Also loves that he calls out Dee on his bullshite too, because what he said right there is 100% truth.
Dee talking about that chick he killed...leading up to another GOAT scene of the show. Love the "frick" crime scene part. It's so funny, but it also shows us McNulty and Bunk not only doing actual detective/police work, but doing it really well.
Also, random note: I counted 33 "fricks" in that scene.
It was cool seeign Landsman going to bat for McNulty. I think he's a character that I may come around on this time through the series...for whatever reason, I remember not liking him too much the first time I watched the show.
Another clue into the bullshite and bureaucracy:
"13 years?"
"And 4 months."
"What'd you do to piss them off?"
"Police work."
Ole Lester Freeman bout to drop some serious po-leece work on these fools.
I love how Lester Freamon is telling McNulty when they ask him where he doesn't want to go, to lie. But we've already seen McNulty be asked that and he mentioned the harbor.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 1:47 pm to CocomoLSU
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"13 years?" "And 4 months." "What'd you do to piss them off?" "Police work."
One of the best exchanges in the series. Freamon is basically a cautionary tale to McNulty. Doing "police work" isn't enough.
Future quote to watch for - "The job will not save you."
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