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re: Obama to crack down on movie, music, software piracy
Posted on 6/23/10 at 2:00 pm to Kafka
Posted on 6/23/10 at 2:00 pm to Kafka
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Today, thanks to things like YouTube and MySpace, an unknown band has a much, MUCH better chance of getting heard than say, Big Star in 1972.
In the olden days you had one shot -- radio. But if you didn't get added to the playlists of the major radio chains, you might as well not have existed.
Yea but Afreaux says you only have 1-100 chance of any of this happening even in today's heavily focused on social media society.
Those numbers don't sound made up or anything and I am positive he has done the actual statistical analysis.
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Posted on 6/23/10 at 2:03 pm to Afreaux
quote:i dont dignify those scumbags with the proper abbrev
You talking about an A&R?
Posted on 6/23/10 at 2:08 pm to Pilot Tiger
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i dont dignify those scumbags with the proper abbrev
Posted on 6/23/10 at 2:12 pm to SG_Geaux
When is he gonna come for my guns?
Posted on 6/23/10 at 2:33 pm to Towelie
peer block and bt guard.... 
Posted on 6/23/10 at 2:37 pm to SG_Geaux
God damnit I've missed too much to even jump back in this.
Still, I can't believe how many people are in support of this foolishness. The term "thought crime" alone made me shudder in horror. Downloading music should be considered theft in the absolute loosest sense, if at all.
Still, I can't believe how many people are in support of this foolishness. The term "thought crime" alone made me shudder in horror. Downloading music should be considered theft in the absolute loosest sense, if at all.
Posted on 6/23/10 at 2:40 pm to CAD703X
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define what this means for me. i dont get it
i'm talking about downloading off of all these sites out there for free, buying bootlegs, etc. (yes that still happens). i'm not trying to debate you recording a concert with your phone, etc.
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link?
i'm going by my past experience in the industry. its a broad statement but obviously true. we wouldn't be having this converstation if not.
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now most people get limewire, etc and just go to town. but only the rich artists are losing there i forgot!
again, link
just search 2 or 3 pages on this board. there are many who say it, a few have said in this thread. you know its true, why argue this.
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which is it? you first said DRM should keep me from sharing music with a friend (see your second point above) but now you say its all about 'downloading' music
DRM is to stop people from putting it back on the internet and sharing with the world. i'm pretty sure you handing a copy of a cd you have to your friend is legal. i don't know the loophole in the law, i do know this was everyones argument in the beginning. how its the same thing. it is my OPINION that the free download sites are the problem, obviously i could be wrong. but the new laws and history says its a problem. and agian its stealing.
Posted on 6/23/10 at 2:42 pm to CMoore957
Fwiw stout, pilot, and afreaux are all right in one way or another
I'm on my phone so I don't have time to type out all my thoughts on this, but yeah, good thread.
If mp3's were never developed, there would be a ton of bands that never would have "made it".
However, what is ones def of "making" it?
I'm on my phone so I don't have time to type out all my thoughts on this, but yeah, good thread.
If mp3's were never developed, there would be a ton of bands that never would have "made it".
However, what is ones def of "making" it?
Posted on 6/23/10 at 2:50 pm to Big Pun
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the free download sites are the problem, obviously i could be wrong. but the new laws and history says its a problem. and agian its stealing.
this is ridiculous. we have songza, youtube, pandora, last.fm, etc etc etc and this is all 'getting free music off the internet'.
so if i have a tool that lets me 'record' (or "download" to use interwebz lingo) music played from last.fm, etal i'm stealing?
house of cards. quit drinking the riaa's koolaid. they're a dinosaur jealously guarding their 1900s business model and this is dying gasp to stop something they KNOW they have absolutely no way of controlling.
its those darn kids using the internet again thats to blame.
eta look up the case against alan ellis (who i'm proud to say is a friend of mine) and note that he not only was NOT GUILTY..but INNOCENT of all charges..and the dude ran a far more sophisticated site than napster could ever hope to be. I-N-N-O-C-E-N-T.
what the riaa hates is the zest and zeal individuals put into the meticulous cataloging and organizing of music taking place on the internet. a service that quite frankly they do NOT want to provide at any price.
therein lies the rub.
but again..these are audiophiles here we're talking about. how could the RIAA not see this coming?
This post was edited on 6/23/10 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 6/23/10 at 2:58 pm to CAD703X
cassette tapes, CD burners, Napster, bit torrent...the RIAA and MPAA will always be a step behind - DRM was cracked before it was released.
Can't believe the glossing over what you search for being used against you, either...
Posted on 6/23/10 at 3:00 pm to LurkerIndeed
god damn T
Posted on 6/23/10 at 3:02 pm to CAD703X
i don't know all those sites you listed, but most of them are just ways of listening to music correct? by listening you don't become the owner like if you went to limewire, torrent, etc. big difference. if you have a tool to put something in your possession from say youtube when you aren't supposed to, how is not stealing?
and i agree the riaa is a big part of the problem. everyone sat there and watched this happen. those laws were written way before the internet existed. but that doesn't mean its okay for you to get something free that you're supposed to pay for.
and i agree the riaa is a big part of the problem. everyone sat there and watched this happen. those laws were written way before the internet existed. but that doesn't mean its okay for you to get something free that you're supposed to pay for.
Posted on 6/23/10 at 3:03 pm to Big Pun
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f you have a tool to put something in your possession from say youtube when you aren't supposed to, how is not stealing?
so you agree i should also be guilty of a crime for taping barbara streisand songs off the radio on my kmart tape recorder?
because kids today dont like to have music to listen when they want to listen to it? what is different between me in 1972 and the kids today? its higher fidelity. THE END. thats what this is all about..controlling and planning the next 'phase' of music..the riaa doesn't care about piracy..they care about controling the distribution channel and getting you to reby the same music over and over. bluray is the same concept and it will fail for the same reasons.
thats what this amounts to no matter how you want to spin it.
This post was edited on 6/23/10 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 6/23/10 at 3:16 pm to CAD703X
What I don't understand is, how come the government can't figure out that you cannot stop this. There are so many places to get all this shite for free. If they shut down 10 piracy joints, then the next day there will be 10 new places open.
Until later, Proxy it bitches.
Until later, Proxy it bitches.
Posted on 6/23/10 at 3:17 pm to HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
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What I don't understand is, how come the government can't figure out that you cannot stop this.
they cant wrap their minds around the fact the internet doesnt obey the physical borders of the US
Posted on 6/23/10 at 3:21 pm to CAD703X
If they come up with a solution to fix this broken welfare program, then I will happily download legally.
Posted on 6/23/10 at 3:22 pm to CAD703X
i agree with you to an extent. by law, your recording back then was illegal. it's just nothing was done about it. i get how you relate them. i don't think the this all about the riaa wanting money, it's the failing industry. but the riaa is funded by the labels, so that point is back to you. i don't think any of this is cut and dry.
so you think music should just be free for everyone?
so you think music should just be free for everyone?
Posted on 6/23/10 at 3:24 pm to HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
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then I will happily download legally.
ding ding ding.
netflix instant viewing has made an honest man out of me. $9/mo for more movies than i can ever watch is a STEAL.
do the same thing for music; and dont limit me to shite drm/128kb shite..but give me access to the GOOD STUFF for a $x/mo and i'll be an honest man.
this ppv or buying a cd (which may or may not suck) is bs.
fix the business model riaa and mpaa and you wont have to go toady-ing up to the government and crying how unfair the internet is treating you and can they help you put all the big bad internet boys and girls in jail.
eta big pun does this help answer your question above?
This post was edited on 6/23/10 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 6/23/10 at 3:24 pm to Klark Kent
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it amazes me the things this president is focussing on instead of the oil spill, the far east, and the economy.
do you really think he spent all that much time on it?
The decision was based on presentations from business people whining that the TD posters are sharing illegal means to STEAL their products without paying for them.
Posted on 6/23/10 at 3:27 pm to CAD703X
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fix the business model riaa and mpaa and you wont have to go toady-ing up to the administration and crying how unfair the internet is treating you.
this is it right here, and i don't think they have this answer!
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