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re: No, The Avengers is not overrated.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 8:23 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/7/12 at 8:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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that guy doesn't represent me
Dude....you ignoring the facts of what his role was in the arc.
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dude...
Compelling counter arguement, but The Avengers on the ground were making tactical decisions to save people, changing as they go along, thus bringing dramatic tension.
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hell, i didn't know in THAT movie that magneto would leave charles
Well you ARE a fricking idiot.
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um, that's not what we're doing
Yes it is. You are trying to ignore the plethora of flaws in First Class for a scene or two with Fassebender showing natural screen presecene. Everything other performance was shite. January Jones's Emma Frost is as one dimensional as there is in a comic movie. Kevin Bacon went over the top, Middleworth was much stronger.
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is like me saying "well i know ruffalo got signed to 6 more hulk movies, so he couldn't die.
Doesn't matter where you get the information, Tension for the viewer must take into account everything. My examples are to show that the initial point is useless when talking for this film.
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i wouldn't really care. i'm not close to either set of grandparents and never was
That's because you weren't good enough to be loved them.
It's not your fault,Will, it's not your fault.
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Posted on 5/7/12 at 8:26 am to Jumbeauxlaya
And I will say it again. WORST frickING Comic Book movie I have ever seen in my life. I didnt grow up reading that crap though. The Watchmen was complete boring crap.
If that is a steak then its fricking gristle. Make that boiled not even grilled gristle at that.
If that is a steak then its fricking gristle. Make that boiled not even grilled gristle at that.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 8:27 am to RonBurgundy
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.you ignoring the facts of what his role was in the arc.
the only real hook they used to make him relate to the audience was the short bit about him having captain america cards. that is pretty insignificant when compared to the rest of what he did on screen in these movies
compare him to a sam witwicky, who has the role of linking us to the character directly
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Compelling counter arguement, but The Avengers on the ground were making tactical decisions to save people, changing as they go along, thus bringing dramatic tension.
i know but random innocents die off screen in the majority of these movies
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Well you ARE a fricking idiot.
in the 3-act play, typically this sort of drama happens in the second act (like in TDK with batman failing).
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Tension for the viewer must take into account everything.
i disagree. it should come from the movie itself
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That's because you weren't good enough to be loved them.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 8:31 am to Catman88
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And I will say it again. WORST frickING Comic Book movie I have ever seen in my life.
fwiw, i enjoyed watching the avengers about 7.5 times more than i enjoyed watching the watchmen
you can basically compare it to freaux's opinion on the godfather
Posted on 5/7/12 at 8:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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the only real hook they used to make him relate to the audience was the short bit about him having captain america cards. that is pretty insignificant when compared to the rest of what he did on screen in these movies
Failing to see the point of his character. Every time he shows up in these films, the idea is that the audience is showing up to see these guys for the first time. Telling Thor how he changed everything, is saying how Thor's film completely changed the direction as the MCU delves way deeper into sci-fantasy. He is the most familar character in the MCU by the beginning of the Avegers and if you felt nothing when he died, then you failed to recognize that. Again, more impactful than Rachel Dawes dying.
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in the 3-act play
So you knew First Class is a trilogy? Therefore, that outside information led you to be distracted from the obvious conclusion to the film.
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like in TDK with batman failing
Batman didn't fail in TDK, he suffered some tragedy in the loss of Dawes, the same way the Avengers did with Coulson. The Avengers had more failings than Bruce had in TDK.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 8:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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well it's a significant step up from anyone on the avengers, imho
No way. I mean we can agree to disagree. And I loved First Class. But come on? It again seems you're holding that to much lower standards.
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but i like the acting, direction, story, and drama more
Of which, the Avengers had good quality.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 8:49 am to Freauxzen
I thought it was a great film. went with my fiance, who had only seen iron man prior to Avengers (she just wasn;t interested in the stand alone films) but was interested cause she is a tremendous Wheddon fan.
she now wants to see all the stand alone films.all in all, not a perfect movie, but I thought it was pretty great and will see it again.
she now wants to see all the stand alone films.all in all, not a perfect movie, but I thought it was pretty great and will see it again.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 8:55 am to Thracken13
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Thracken13
It's looking into a mirror.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 10:16 am to Thracken13
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not a perfect movie,
the most overused word on this freaking board. I went into without seeing thor and Captain America and I thought it was the best comic book movie I've seen. It's up there with the Dark Knight. It was awesome to see all the characters together in one movie. It did seem like their powers were a little more dominate in this movie but I didn't think that till reading this board. You people make me think of stupid things that make me want to change my mind about movies
Posted on 5/7/12 at 10:17 am to Catman88
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And I will say it again. WORST frickING Comic Book movie I have ever seen in my life. I didnt grow up reading that crap though. The Watchmen was complete boring crap.
In all fairness, no one grew up on The Watchmen. It was a one-time 12-issue comic book series released in '86 over a year with characters no one ever heard of. It was done that way purposely so that established DC characters wouldn't be tainted with murder, rape, burglaries, alcohol-abuse or other smelly flaws. Plus, you have a year, and not 3 hours, to buy into the characters & the redemptive story.
With that said, the heavy-themed drama works as a comic book but not as a bound-to-lose-money big-budgeted "comic-book" movie with unfamiliar characters. I love Zach Snyder's (300, Sin City) distinct stylized action & ultra-sexy women, but even that couldn't save it. It was an introspective drama disguised as a "superhero" movie.
The basic concept was brilliant and before its time as a 1986 comic book. What if costumed vigilantes who were fully embraced by one generation were outlawed and forced into retirement by the next generation and some had to get "real jobs". After discovering, during a murder investigation, a slew of major flaws these "heroes" secretly stashed away, it gets all comic-booky and some of the latter ex-heroes re-costume & try to save the world from a nuclear end. But as a movie, it was too deep & obscure for the casual comic-book-fan moviegoer. The irony is that the audience that could truly appreciate heavy dramatic themes & the obscure story are arthouse indie-film lovers who detest the "superhero"/action movie genre & never picked up a comic book in their life.
The other problem it had was that "The Incredibles" animated film had already been released and out-right stole the "forced-into-retirement" ex-superhero outcasts concept (along with stealing practically everything from the Fantastic Four---thus dooming two movies at once, like National Treasure did for the DaVinci Code franchise). However, The Incredibles might be my favorite re-watchable animation of all-time, even if others like UP or Wall-E touch a deeper more meaningful nerve. The Incredibles had tons of heart, humor, & brain-less action that just soars as delicious entertainment.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 10:19 am to CP3LSU25
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not a perfect movie,
Of course it isn't a perfect film. It has flaws, shortcomings, etc.
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the most overused word on this freaking board.
Not really. Underrated/Overrated are.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 11:40 am to JDS
Awesome movie, just watched with my boys, and we were thrilled the whole movie. Great humor, action, and overall good time. My boys kept repeating lies and talking about certain scenes over and over. 
Posted on 5/7/12 at 11:42 am to RonBurgundy
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It's not your fault,Will, it's not your fault.
Awesome!
Posted on 5/7/12 at 11:53 am to DanTiger
The reason that we're pointing out that it isn't a perfect movie is because there are people saying that it IS a perfect superhero movie. And since someone has asked for a non-spoiler review, we felt the need to give them reasonable expectations.
I went into the movie after hearing that it was amazing from start to finish. Which, for me, it wasn't. It was great fun, but it has its flaws.
I'd rather have someone be honest with me, and give me reasonable expectations.
For some this will be the best superhero movie ever. For me, it's just one of the better ones.
I went into the movie after hearing that it was amazing from start to finish. Which, for me, it wasn't. It was great fun, but it has its flaws.
I'd rather have someone be honest with me, and give me reasonable expectations.
For some this will be the best superhero movie ever. For me, it's just one of the better ones.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 12:02 pm to Fewer Kilometers
dudes dudes dudues.......DUDES!!!
you're missing the point of the movie!!!
you're missing the point of the movie!!!
Posted on 5/7/12 at 12:04 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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The reason that we're pointing out that it isn't a perfect movie is because there are people saying that it IS a perfect superhero movie.
That's me. And I'd argue that it IS a perfect super hero film, almost to a fault of itself as a film. But that doesn't make it a perfect movie. not even close. Those are two different things.
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I went into the movie after hearing that it was amazing from start to finish. Which, for me, it wasn't. It was great fun, but it has its flaws.
Personal opinion obviously. And I think you're admitting to that. Again, see some of the other comments that start the argument.
The flaws that it does have have nothing to do with its source material.
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I'd rather have someone be honest with me, and give me reasonable expectations.
I find that most of the critics in general were close to spot on with this film. High recommendations, but pointing out the flaws it did have. None of which were really critical.
This post was edited on 5/7/12 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 5/7/12 at 12:16 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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I'd rather have someone be honest with me, and give me reasonable expectations.
For some this will be the best superhero movie ever. For me, it's just one of the better ones.
No one who liked it is being dishonest . I truly think it is the best superhero movie ever and it's very reasonable for me to offer that glowing review as an expectation based on the experience I (and many others) had.
Just because you are offering a different/less-glowing take/experience/review as an expectation doesn't make your opinion more honest & reasonable, just as it doesn't cement ours as dishonest or unreasonable.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 12:17 pm to LSUFreek
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No one who liked it is being dishonest . I truly think it is the best superhero movie ever and it's very reasonable for me to offer that glowing review as an expectation based on the experience I (and many others) had.
Just because you are offering a different/less-glowing take/experience/review as an expectation doesn't make your opinion more honest & reasonable, just as it doesn't cement ours as dishonest or unreasonable.
Well said.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 12:46 pm to Freauxzen
Bottom line is this whole discussion has pretty much boiled down to a matter of personal tastes. No one can "win" such a battle because how ecach person sees the various movies being discussed depends on their own unique tastes in movies, comics, etc.
FWIW, the debate between "dark" themed comics and optomistic or "colorful" comics is pretty much as old as comics. Depends on the mood of the populace as to which one is considered to be on top in any given era. And of course, then there is usually a backlash and the other one takes precedence for awhile.
I think where I disagree with a lot of people is that I don't think that "dark" is necessarily more realistic than "colorful". Both represent extremes which are different than real life.
FWIW, the debate between "dark" themed comics and optomistic or "colorful" comics is pretty much as old as comics. Depends on the mood of the populace as to which one is considered to be on top in any given era. And of course, then there is usually a backlash and the other one takes precedence for awhile.
I think where I disagree with a lot of people is that I don't think that "dark" is necessarily more realistic than "colorful". Both represent extremes which are different than real life.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 12:48 pm to Catman88
Just took my son to watch it last night and all I can say is it was awesome! I cannot wait for the sequel.
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