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re: New Netflix docu-series "Making a Murderer" (Spoilers)
Posted on 12/27/15 at 3:32 pm to lsuwontonwrap
Posted on 12/27/15 at 3:32 pm to lsuwontonwrap
I'm on episode 3 now but am familiar with the case so the spoilers here haven't ruined anything for me.
My question is: Do they ever explain how Steven's blood gets in her car or how "if" it was planted, how they had a sample of his blood?
My question is: Do they ever explain how Steven's blood gets in her car or how "if" it was planted, how they had a sample of his blood?
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Posted on 12/27/15 at 3:35 pm to AlbertMeansWell
Yes
Posted on 12/27/15 at 3:37 pm to diat150
quote:
Yes
Thanks.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 3:40 pm to AlbertMeansWell
Yep, and it is awesome, and no one seems to give a frick.
Did anyone find the phone convo's between Dassey and his mom kinda hilarious?
BD: Mom?
Mom: Yeah. (pronounced Yah)
BD: Yeah?
Mom: Yeah?
BD: *silence*
Mom: Welp, whatchu want?
Did anyone find the phone convo's between Dassey and his mom kinda hilarious?
BD: Mom?
Mom: Yeah. (pronounced Yah)
BD: Yeah?
Mom: Yeah?
BD: *silence*
Mom: Welp, whatchu want?
Posted on 12/27/15 at 4:34 pm to liz18lsu
Len Kachinsky is a total whack job.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 4:42 pm to liz18lsu
Every. Damn. Time.
And it made me sad that neither one of them knew what the word "inconsistent" meant at one point.
Mom: They say you might have a good case because your story is inconsistent.
Brandon: What does inconsistent mean?
Mom: ....I don't know.
WOW. I just feel bad for these folks. They aren't educated and they were totally railroaded by the system. It's not their fault.
And it made me sad that neither one of them knew what the word "inconsistent" meant at one point.
Mom: They say you might have a good case because your story is inconsistent.
Brandon: What does inconsistent mean?
Mom: ....I don't know.
WOW. I just feel bad for these folks. They aren't educated and they were totally railroaded by the system. It's not their fault.
This post was edited on 12/27/15 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 12/27/15 at 6:34 pm to lsuwontonwrap
Members of Steven's family (namely his brothers) are asking for donations for his defense. DO NOT send these people money. I don't trust those people as far as I can throw them. They probably see this as a pay day.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 6:46 pm to lsuwontonwrap
As I continue to watch this, I still can't seem to shake the feeling that Steven did it.
But I'm probably wrong. But if he did do it, it didn't go down in anyway that a normal person could imagine.
But I'm probably wrong. But if he did do it, it didn't go down in anyway that a normal person could imagine.
This post was edited on 12/27/15 at 6:48 pm
Posted on 12/27/15 at 6:59 pm to AlbertMeansWell
I dont think whether or not Steven did it is totally relevant. I think the bigger implications are the authorities could botch something so poorly. This is a legitimate fear of so many abusing power.
Im not sold on Steven being guilty or innocent. I just don't get the investigation on so many levels.
Im not sold on Steven being guilty or innocent. I just don't get the investigation on so many levels.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 7:10 pm to Chillini
He definitely killed Halbach, but I think the cops obviously took steps to make sure Avery was convicted.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 7:14 pm to JombieZombie
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definitely
The fear everyone should have after watching this is that a jury member could have 100% confidence that he's guilty
Posted on 12/27/15 at 7:23 pm to 5 Deep
I'm back and forth on this. Avery should have taken the stand. If there is even a chance, you have to defend yourself. There was enough evidence, dirty or not, to implicate him. If he can't swear to it and stand by his story, then it gives jurors an excuse. I know he doesn't have to do it. But it would have made a huge difference. All they were left with was the prosecutions version and a perceived dirty defense tactic. Can't blame the jurors for voting like they did..
Posted on 12/27/15 at 7:30 pm to brmark70816
Because of how dumb he is, the cross examination would've torn him apart.....likely causing him to get angry or something on the stand
Posted on 12/27/15 at 7:57 pm to 5 Deep
Yeah, it probably would have. If I was a juror, I'd still want to hear his version or something to back-up the defenses' claim of police corruption/tampering. They just kept hinting at it and attacking officers. They never gave any real evidence or an alternative version of the crime. All they could do was attack certain aspects. We are still left with simple facts the defense couldn't dispute. She was on his property, he talked with her (He said that he didn't), she was in his trailer, his blood was in his car, her car was found on his property, nobody ever saw it leave, bullet casing in his garage, her blood on a bullet fragment, her remains on his property and in his fire pit (destroying evidence).
That is a strong case and the jurors weren't privy to a lot of stuff that us viewers are. All they claimed was the police might have planted stuff to make him look more guilty. The police should have investigated more. But to implicate them, you need testimony and direct evidence. They could never find it. Avery is a liar and he exaggerated all the time. He said twice that he was going to kill himself. He never even attempted. I just don't find him that credible. Him not taking the stand just kind of backed that up to me. I just don't have that much sympathy anymore.
His nephew is kind of the same thing. He was coerced. But he confessed twice and then admitted to it on the phone to his mom. Plus he told other relatives before he was arrested. I can't trust him either. He should probably be institutionalized. But two signed confessions and the telephone call are pretty damning..
That is a strong case and the jurors weren't privy to a lot of stuff that us viewers are. All they claimed was the police might have planted stuff to make him look more guilty. The police should have investigated more. But to implicate them, you need testimony and direct evidence. They could never find it. Avery is a liar and he exaggerated all the time. He said twice that he was going to kill himself. He never even attempted. I just don't find him that credible. Him not taking the stand just kind of backed that up to me. I just don't have that much sympathy anymore.
His nephew is kind of the same thing. He was coerced. But he confessed twice and then admitted to it on the phone to his mom. Plus he told other relatives before he was arrested. I can't trust him either. He should probably be institutionalized. But two signed confessions and the telephone call are pretty damning..
Posted on 12/27/15 at 8:41 pm to brmark70816
Please tell me how those two were smart enough to pull off the murder with no blood and no evidence but stupid enough to leave blood in a car but no prints/none of her blood, leave the car on property when they could have crushed it, keys on the floor/bullet found months later in plain sight. No signs of struggle anywhere. Ask yourself if Forrest Gump could have done this? There is no way those two did this.
This post was edited on 12/28/15 at 6:41 pm
Posted on 12/27/15 at 9:18 pm to brmark70816
quote:No he's not.
His nephew is kind of the same thing.
quote:Yes he was. But he was more than persuaded to confess, he was manipulated to confess with "facts" the police kept giving him. The most damning to me was "something happened to her head, what was it?" He has no clue even saying she was punched in the head then the interrogators come out and say "she was shot in the head. was it you or him?" GTFO.
He was coerced.
quote:His mom is a dolt, she flip flopped 20x and for the one time he said he did it, 10x he said he wasn't there. Even the mom had him in her house at 5:30.
But he confessed twice and then admitted to it on the phone to his mom.
quote:I don't believe this at all.
Plus he told other relatives before he was arrested.
quote:He should be freed. Being dumb isn't a reason to be locked up in any capacity.
He should probably be institutionalized.
quote:Damning to the authorities that are supposed to find the truth, his defense attorney and attorney's PI that are supposed to help him and his mother that never cared to even protect him from being bullied.
But two signed confessions and the telephone call are pretty damning..
The setup with attorney's PI with the ribbon he can't stop crying over to lead their client into confessing again, repeated feeding him what they want him to say then describing the pictures they want him to draw is insane.
This post was edited on 12/27/15 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 12/27/15 at 9:47 pm to drizztiger
quote:
He should be freed. Being dumb isn't a reason to be locked up in any capacity.
He was an accessory to murder. He has to be locked up somewhere. If he is truly simple or mentally disabled, then I can see institutionalizing him. But all this "dumb" stuff came up right before the trial. He was responsible for his actions and ruled competent.
quote:
Yes he was. But he was more than persuaded to confess, he was manipulated to confess with "facts" the police kept giving him.
It's a great documentary, but let's be real here. Cops do this all the time. That is what a police interrogation is. Someone should have told him not to talk or given him a lawyer. But he gave a statement and then signed it. Then he did it again. Then again. Then he told his mom on the phone. He didn't change his story until they figured he was going to jail anyway and he didn't want to testify against his uncle. The details or the how and why don't really mater that much. You can't just throw out sworn statements. That's why he keeps losing appeals.
quote:
Damning to the authorities that are supposed to find the truth, his defense attorney and attorney's PI that are supposed to help him and his mother that never cared to even protect him from being bullied
There can be a lot of truth here. But his attorney thought he was guilty, especially after he confessed. How are you supposed to defend somebody that already admitted to it. He was trying to get the best plea deal after that. Getting the confession thrown out is just about impossible. It was all recorded and the jury saw the whole thing. He was never hurt or tortured. All the police tactics were perfectly legal.
I don't know how much more the police should have investigated. Most of the evidence was on the Avery property and it was mostly destroyed. They had their suspect and after the kid confessed, what more should they have done? I think we are all just getting carried away and making saints out of some pretty shady people that seem just as guilty to me as innocent..
Posted on 12/27/15 at 10:23 pm to brmark70816
You watched a completely different documentary than I did.
There is literally zero corroborating evidence to support that Dassey did anything other than a coerced confession. Because police coerce confessions from innocent suspects all the time is why confessions aren't considered the end-all of a case. In recent years there has been a light shone on the unreliability of confessions. And as such the prosecutors have the need to show evidence besides a confession in trial.
Dassey was told what to say in every interrogation. The things he said such as slashing throat, rope tied here, chains tied here, didn't know where or how she was killed, had to be talked into saying he saw body parts (toes) in the fire, had an alibi that even his crazy mom agreed with, there is no blood in the garage, there is no blood in the trailer, there isn't one shred of physical evidence against Dassey at all. He didn't murder or rape anyone.
There is literally zero corroborating evidence to support that Dassey did anything other than a coerced confession. Because police coerce confessions from innocent suspects all the time is why confessions aren't considered the end-all of a case. In recent years there has been a light shone on the unreliability of confessions. And as such the prosecutors have the need to show evidence besides a confession in trial.
Dassey was told what to say in every interrogation. The things he said such as slashing throat, rope tied here, chains tied here, didn't know where or how she was killed, had to be talked into saying he saw body parts (toes) in the fire, had an alibi that even his crazy mom agreed with, there is no blood in the garage, there is no blood in the trailer, there isn't one shred of physical evidence against Dassey at all. He didn't murder or rape anyone.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 10:33 pm to drizztiger
Anyone know the name of the hot brunette reporter that sometimes wore eyeglasses that was at the daily court press conferences?
Posted on 12/27/15 at 10:35 pm to SPEEDY
Her name is Angenette Levy according to Page 7.
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