re: New Netflix docu-series "Making a Murderer" (Spoilers)

A judge is duty bound to recuse himself from a case if he has a conflict of interest and a stake in the outcome. Seems to me we should expect the same of sheriff's departments and crime investigators. This case should never have gone to trial, even when there's a substantial chance that Avery committed a murder. This case should have been dropped the very moment the Manitowoc Sheriff's Department and the District Attorney broke their vow that Manitowoc would not participate in the investigation. They should have been made to apologize to the Halbach family for any lack of justice.

You right.

Steve Avery's fated has been decided, he's locked up for life.
I have no problem with that, he's a pos, scumbag.

This is a pos, scumbag also. He is the root cause an innocent man went to prison and the actual prep remained free. Absolutely nothing will ever be done to this dude.
Kenneth Peterson



These cops are likely scumbags, they should be investigated.
However, they won't ever even be questioned.

I'm going to keep pounding this point, because a lot of people don't seem to understand it. Avery is guilty and is where he belongs. No matter what, he possessed a gun and is a felon. Nobody is denying this point and they have multiple witnesses to this fact. In the state of Wisconsin, that is a felony. That would be the forth time he has been arrested and served time for a felony. That qualifies him for the 3 strike law, which Wisconsin adopted in 1994. Maximum penalty for the gun charges is 10 years. Maximum additional penalty for repeater status is life. He has been in prison for 8 years. How did he get screwed over? Also, why should he be let go? I'd like one person to tell me how the gun charges aren't valid and he should be let go.

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He was also a felon because the system screwed him

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He had felony convictions before the wrongful rape conviction, idiot

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Is someone in your family in law enforcement? Do you have to believe in the system and it always works?

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Hell no and I want the cops punished for tampering with the evidence (if it can be proven). I keep saying though that the guy should be in jail and nobody can deny that. You just can't throw out the laws that don't help him. He owned a firearm. That is illegal. My favorite player, S. Taylor, was murdered because he couldn't own a gun and defend himself. If a millionaire all-pro player can't own a gun, because of an old felony from college. Then a 3 time felon with a mile long rap sheet shouldn't own one either.

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I'm speaking directly to Steve Avery initial 18 years in jail

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I keep telling people, it's 12 years, not 18. He got 6 years for the assault charges on the cop's wife. That was his 3rd felony. There are no BS charges on his record. In the documentary, he admit to the first two and tries to deflect the 3rd case. But all of that stands. Not counting all of his other run ins with the law.

The one conviction is a bad deal. But you know what, he took 400k for that. If he wouldn't have broke the law, he would have probably got 4-5 million. But he's been made whole on that now. If he took the settlement, then he can't bitch about it anymore. It's just sour grapes and I don't feel any sympathy for him.

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He got 6 years for the assault charges on the cop's wife.

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So if Avery would have been exonerated after 6 years, you would say that he was never really served any time for the wrongful conviction? You also have to ignore that it's highly unlikely a person would have served anywhere close to 6 years for the gun change.

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Then a 3 time felon

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By the way, what are all of these "felonies?" We have:
1. The gun incident with his cousin.
2. The wrongful conviction (doesn't count).
3. Teresa Halbach's murder.

Are there some unknown felonies OR are you misrepresenting misdemeanors as felonies (breaking and entering) to support your argument? If it's the latter, that would be very hackish.

The plot thickens.

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Former police sergeant and cold-case expert John Cameron believes he knows who killed Teresa Halbach — and it isn't "Making a Murderer" subject Steven Avery.

Cameron has a theory outlined on his website, as Uproxx previously reported, that an infamous serial killer named Edward Wayne Edwards, who's known to frame others for his murders, is behind the killing that's at the center of the Netflix docuseries.

And there are certainly some interesting connections.

What would connect Edwards to the murder?

1. Edwards is known to find victims or people to frame who have been spotlighted in the media. He may have discovered Avery through any of many stories on TV and other media when he was first exonerated for the brutal assault of a local female while she was jogging.

2. It's believed that Edwards is connected to many unsolved murder cases. Edwards' blog posts and letters to police, family of victims, and the press have led many to believe that he's guilty of murders he was never tried for. Investigators have long suspected Edwards may be involved in the Zodiac slayings.

3. Edwards liked to kill on Halloween. Halbach disappeared on that day in 2005.

4. Edwards had killed in Wisconsin before. In 1980, he killed Wisconsin couple Tim Hack and Kelly Drew. The crime would be called the "sweetheart murders." And it's believed he was an hour away from where Avery lived at the time of Halbach's murder.

5. Edwards likes to attend his victims' funerals and trials. He is believed to have been caught on HBO's documentary about the West Memphis Three. And Cameron discovered the below shot during the sixth episode of "Making a Murderer," with a man who looks like Edwards.



Is that Edwards standing behind prosecutor Ken Kratz?

Cameron spent some time in Wisconsin to try and identify the man, but was unable to do so.

Edwards died in 2011 while serving time in Ohio.

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I support his fricking conviction because he fricking did it.

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Why do you hate the Constitution?

You just don't understand it. Got it.