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re: My 9 y/o daughter's conclusion after seeing the climax in League of Their Own
Posted on 12/28/11 at 7:22 pm to alajones
Posted on 12/28/11 at 7:22 pm to alajones
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alajones
Great post. The response will be, she made the decision after Kit rounded 3rd. I've laid out essentially the exact same points you just did and that was the response I got. That's when I knew logic would not win the day.
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Posted on 12/28/11 at 9:57 pm to ChewyDante
Have any of you ever let a younger sibling win anything? Or a child win in a contest? Dottie knew how badly Kit wanted to shine and be a winner for once and not be in her shadow.
Just like I let my kid win at a board game or a "first one to drop it is a rotten egg" game of catch. I know I will always win against my 3 year old in these games but damnit every now and then I drop it on purpose and watch his face light up when he "thinks" he beat daddy. And I smile back at him just like Dottie did with Kit when I see how happy he is that he "beat" daddy! Jesus Christ people...it's pretty fricking obvious is you ever had younger siblings or children that you "let" win one finally.
Just like I let my kid win at a board game or a "first one to drop it is a rotten egg" game of catch. I know I will always win against my 3 year old in these games but damnit every now and then I drop it on purpose and watch his face light up when he "thinks" he beat daddy. And I smile back at him just like Dottie did with Kit when I see how happy he is that he "beat" daddy! Jesus Christ people...it's pretty fricking obvious is you ever had younger siblings or children that you "let" win one finally.
Posted on 12/28/11 at 10:16 pm to SJS101
Right, and the movie makes that so clear to everyone.
Posted on 12/28/11 at 10:22 pm to SJS101
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Just like I let my kid win at a board game or a "first one to drop it is a rotten egg" game of catch. I know I will always win against my 3 year old in these games but damnit every now and then I drop it on purpose and watch his face light up when he "thinks" he beat daddy. And I smile back at him just like Dottie did with Kit when I see how happy he is that he "beat" daddy! Jesus Christ people...it's pretty fricking obvious is you ever had younger siblings or children that you "let" win one finally.
What the hell does any of this have to do with a Professional League baseball game? We're not talking about Dottie letting her win in a game of tag. This is organized baseball, Dottie plays for a team full of members she supposedly cares about that want to win.
I am totally fine with people subjectively believing she dropped it on purpose because they see the world from the female perspective...but please just admit, this feeling comes from your gut...because nowhere in that final at bat does Penny Marshall let on to the audience that Dottie wants Kit to beat her or that she would drop the ball on purpose. In fact, the film shows us how MUCH Dottie wants to beat Kit...so, if she changed her mind as soon as Kit hits her...well that's just conjecture...and I really don't care.
1. Film supports: She didn't drop it on purpose.
2. Film leaves open the possibility: She dropped it on purpose. (Which means Dottie is full of crap, an a-hole teammate and has no respect for everything Tom Hanks taught her.)
That's all you can take from it.
Posted on 12/28/11 at 10:27 pm to Zamoro10
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What the hell does any of this have to do with a Professional League baseball game? We're not talking about Dottie letting her win in a game of tag. This is organized baseball, Dottie plays for a team full of members she supposedly cares about that want to win.
Nothing. You have proven my point. It's not about Professional Organized Baseball or a game of catch or tag or fricking tiddlywinks. It is everything to do with the feeling I have seeing my kids feel like they are winners which is the same feeling Dottie has for Kit. She was practically a mother figure to her anyways. The game they were playing is irrelevant. May as well been the Womens'League Superbowl. But if it was, and given the chance, Dottie would have fumbled the ball on the 2 yard line if Kit was tackling her.
Respect to you if your opinion differs I just happen to believe you are wrong. No big deal. I really never knew this was such a hotly contested argument
This post was edited on 12/28/11 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 12/28/11 at 11:20 pm to ChewyDante
quote:Is this out of the realm of discussion?
The response will be, she made the decision after Kit rounded 3rd.
It seems like as logical a conclusion as any.
She made the decision as she saw her baby sister. . .hence the montage.
2 things to consider as well:
1) Dottie may have been a competitor, but she never really gave a shite about baseball. She returned to help her team. . .but at the moment of truth determined that family mattered more than baseball or her team.
2) Kit is a whiny bitch, and I wish Dottie didn't hand her the game.
This post was edited on 12/28/11 at 11:32 pm
Posted on 12/29/11 at 12:20 am to Zamoro10
that just makes me want to punch Rosie O'Donnell in the mouth.
Posted on 12/29/11 at 1:19 am to Zamoro10
quote:My defense is the rest of the movie.
please watch this and point out your defense for that position
A good chunk of the movie is Dottie deciding what she values. In the end she valued Kit over her teammates and over baseball.
Your only contention could be that Dottie wasn't good enough to make the play. She made similar plays against bigger, stronger opponents.
So either Dottie isn't good enough to make the play, or she dropped it.
Posted on 12/29/11 at 1:24 am to Roaad
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So either Dottie isn't good enough to make the play, or she dropped it.
In that clip.. the ball rolls out of her hand like a finger tip roll layup from Doctor Jay. There is no contact with the ball by Kit. Dottie isn't knocked unconscious.
She practically PLACED it on the ground.
Posted on 12/29/11 at 1:29 am to coloradoBengal
quote:Indeed.
She practically PLACED it on the ground.
Here is some random blogger's perspective, which I agree with:
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But at its heart, framed larger by the Rockford Peaches, is the sisters' relationship, how much the lesser-talented Kit wants something that comes so easily to Dottie, a dutiful wife first. When Kit gets traded, it's inevitable her team will face the Peaches in the World Series (it's no accident she's a pitcher and Dottie's a catcher), but her final at-bat means more than the game---it's the moment she emerges from Dottie's shadow, proving that she will ascend this era to take what she wants. When Dottie drops the ball---on purpose---she not only opens one last window for her sister, she closes the door on her own talent. It's a valid choice, too
People keep saying that the "dropped it on purpose for her sister" angle is a female perspective. Perhaps that is true. The movie was directed by Penny Marshall.
People (bloggers) say that Penny Marshall says it was dropped on purpose in the director's commentary, but I have yet to see it.
This post was edited on 12/29/11 at 1:32 am
Posted on 12/29/11 at 8:46 am to coloradoBengal
quote:This is completely speculative. Just because the scene isn't shot like you think it should be doesn't change all the evidence leading up to the collision.
In that clip.. the ball rolls out of her hand like a finger tip roll layup from Doctor Jay. There is no contact with the ball by Kit. Dottie isn't knocked unconscious.
She practically PLACED it on the ground.
There is nothing except you all's desire for it to be that way.
Posted on 12/29/11 at 8:47 am to Roaad
quote:I really couldn't care less if she says it after the fact. Writers and movie people do this shite all the time, but it doesn't change what really happened in the movie.
Penny Marshall says it was dropped on purpose in the director's commentary,
Posted on 12/29/11 at 8:51 am to alajones
My interpertataion of the end is that she dropped it on puropse. Here is why. Throughout the movie, we notice a change in dottie from the once firm and cold milk maid to the loving family person we see at the end. She leaves the game to be with bob the cripple after he comes back from war. she realizes that family is important and that always being better than kit (the thundercunt that she is) is tearing them apart. She takes the high road and lets her little sis have one before she retires.
Posted on 12/29/11 at 9:17 am to Displaced
You share the same "interpretation" as a lot of people.
Posted on 12/29/11 at 11:01 am to Roaad
quote:
Here is some random blogger's perspective, which I agree with:
quote:
But at its heart, framed larger by the Rockford Peaches, is the sisters' relationship, how much the lesser-talented Kit wants something that comes so easily to Dottie, a dutiful wife first. When Kit gets traded, it's inevitable her team will face the Peaches in the World Series (it's no accident she's a pitcher and Dottie's a catcher), but her final at-bat means more than the game---it's the moment she emerges from Dottie's shadow, proving that she will ascend this era to take what she wants. When Dottie drops the ball---on purpose---she not only opens one last window for her sister, she closes the door on her own talent. It's a valid choice, too
This is exactly my argument from earlier.
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Is about the damn dumbest thing I've ever read. Tom Hanks didn't preach about having to commit to the game at all in the movie. The story arc was (a) about Dottie playing baseball reluctantly and for funsies all the while keeping her eye on the most important thing in her life: family; and (b) about Kit who was the constant underachiever in everything trying to come out of the shadow of her big sister. The arc is fulfilled when Dottie sacrifices glory for her family and helps Kit get out from her shadow. Both sisters walk off the field with pride. Dottie never cared about winning games. At least not enough to override her feelings for Kit and her man.
Posted on 12/29/11 at 11:02 am to alajones
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Penny Marshall says it was dropped on purpose in the director's commentary,
I really couldn't care less if she says it after the fact. Writers and movie people do this shite all the time, but it doesn't change what really happened in the movie.
There is no reasoning with you, then, is there?
Posted on 12/29/11 at 11:04 am to LoveThatMoney
You all realize you are backing up your opinions with other opinions?
This blogger completey misses it also. She emerges from her sister's shadow by doing it on her own.
This blogger completey misses it also. She emerges from her sister's shadow by doing it on her own.
Posted on 12/29/11 at 11:05 am to LoveThatMoney
quote:With me!?!? You all are the ones ignoring facts.
There is no reasoning with you, then, is there?
Posted on 12/29/11 at 11:40 am to coloradoBengal
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In that clip.. the ball rolls out of her hand like a finger tip roll layup from Doctor Jay. There is no contact with the ball by Kit. Dottie isn't knocked unconscious.
She practically PLACED it on the ground.
Unbelievable. People truly see what they want to see.
They collide in a violent collision. Dottie braces for the huge collision and holds the ball in her right hand inside the glove. She's knocked off her feet and falls flat on her back with whiplash as her right hand bounces as it hits the ground jarring the ball loose as it pops out. It all happens in a couple of seconds in real time. Collision, force, ground...you see the hand bounce off the ground jarring the ball loose...there is no "placing it on the ground."
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