re: MTV The Challenge: Total Madness

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Turbo + Ninja
Bananas + Ev
Darrell + Rachel
CT + Laurel
Jordan + Tori
Landon + Jodi
Wes + Emily
Rogan + Dee
Evan + Corral
Theo + Jenny

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I switched it up a little and matched Emily with Wes and will give Bananas, Ev

Both Wes and Bananas improve but my top 3 doesn't change

1.Turbo + Ninja
2.Darrell + Rachel
3.Landon + Jodi

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Wes and Ev would be an all-time team. If we're getting roided up Wes from back in the day, they'd be almost impossible to beat in an elimination, unless it was hall brawl for Wes.

I still say CT and Laurel on paper are the team to beat, but Wes and Emily could beat them in a final. That's basically a toss up I guess.

A team of Johnny and Ev would be the most politically savvy team there is. They'd also kill about anyone in the final. But John is weak in eliminations and Laurel and Emily are both bigger and stronger than Ev. I think Ev beats Jodi and Rachel in just about anything, though. They werr nowhere near as mentally tough as Ev.

Ev was a killer. She and Johnny would be a big time foil in everyone else's plans.

They'd get turbo out of the game real quick. A prime CT-Laurel combo could take anyone out in a elimination and John and Wes would know that. They'd somehow set up an elimination to pit those teams against each other.

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I rearranged it and matched Wes with Emily and Bananas with Ev.

I disagree that Ev is head and shoulders above Jodi or Rachel. I think they're very evenly matched.

Also I mentioned earlier the format would be loser of the challenge gets to pick their opponent(excluding the winner of the challenge of course) so theres not too _much politics

I still have to go with Turbo and Ninja nobody would want to go in an elimination with them. They have the best combo of strength and endurance. Swimming and puzzles might be an Achilles heel but eliminations are never swimming while climbing is very common. I just can't see anyone choosing them as an opponent in an elimination.

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Wes and Ev would be an all-time team. If we're getting roided up Wes from back in the day, they'd be almost impossible to beat in an elimination, unless it was hall brawl for Wes.

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The same Wes who Kenny had to literally carry up the side of a mountain? Didn’t he die on another final?

CT & Laurel in their primes would be a winner

Just statred The Ruins rewatch. Man I miss roid Wes so much. He knows he's outnumbered but sill was going to make Hella television. The clear, real animosity between Wes and the rest of the champs is so palbable. He was surrounded by enemies, inuding Johanna, the girl he said a was going to marry just a couple seasons before.

That Ruins champs team one of the most loaded teams ever. You think mtv would have learned from Gauntlet 3 that stacking teams against clearly weaker teams does not Make for great competition.

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You say that but he never got put in elimination. Intimidation is what kept him out. He and Ninja are probably the 2 most serious athletes ever on the show

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I don't know if I agree with your second point. and y'all think way more highly of Natalie than I do.

But to your first point, that's what I'm saying...on a Challenge full of GOAT teams, Turbo wouldn't be avoided like that. He would be thrown in over and over until he went home IMO. At least that seems like the smart thing to do. He would either be eliminated, or he would lose his mind and be booted off the show. He doesn't have the mental game to stack up against all-timers. Not even close actually. And you can only ride on athleticism for so long on shows like these.

Wes must not have worked out at all over the last 8 or 9 years. If he can get that bulked up in 4 months, then he 's either gotten on TRT (likely) or he just shunned the weights altogether after he burned out in the Rivals I final when he was bigger.

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don't know if I agree with your second point. and y'all think way more highly of Natalie than I do.

But to your first point, that's what I'm saying...on a Challenge full of GOAT teams, Turbo wouldn't be avoided like that. He would be thrown in over and over until he went home IMO. At least that seems like the smart thing to do. He would either be eliminated, or he would lose his mind and be booted off the show. He doesn't have the mental game to stack up against all-timers. Not even close actually. And you can only ride on athleticism for so long on shows like these.

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I cometely agree with all of this. I don't get the Natalie love. Yes, she's obviously one of the most agile female competitors ever, but she's tiny and Laurel basically beat her at her own super specialty in an elimination.

She's also not nearly as mentally tough as Ev, Laurel, and Emily S. People basing all of her credentials off her finishing the War of the World's 1 final is overblown. The other females that could have finished (Cara particularly) were cutoff by virtue of the game rules and not able to finish it. Mattie quit, but she's a smoking party girl.

I consider Natalie a more athletic version of Cara. Good yes, but not nearly the best girl contestant ever.

Turbo would absolutely be eaten alive by a group full of that talented and ruthless champs. They're either provoke him to get himself kicked off or thrown him in every time to get him out of the game until he was gone.

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Turbo would absolutely be eaten alive by a group full of that talented and ruthless champs. They're either provoke him to get himself kicked off or thrown him in every time to get him out of the game until he was gone.

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I tend to agree, but the guy did win Survivor Turkey twice, so he must have some sort of social game and ability to stay calm. Unless he won those Survivor seasons by strictly beating everyone at the challenges and to the immunity idols... but then he still has to get a majority to vote for him to win, twice.

The Ruins was an embarrassment by how they stacked those teams. The challengers never had a shot but the final being that close was kind of amazing.

Fresh Meat 2 was a much better season competetievly. Wes had that game won from the beginning but Kenny and Laurel kept winning every challenge.

Kenny v. Wes is just such good television. I think it's a much much better rivalry that Wes vs John.

Landon was saddled with such a very shitty partnerr but he completely and totally carried her to a total win.

I think Landon is probably the best player ever and I don't think it's close. CT burned out on a mountain final while Landon pulled a load of a partner to victory. He plays virtually no political game and still wins. A team of Landon and any of the top girls would beat anyone.

It's painfully obvious that pairs are only as good as your girl partner... And Kenny had maybe the best female ever on the show.

Frwsh Meat 2 lost a lot of steam when Wes went home.

I think that stretch from about 2008-2012 was the height of the show. It was the best blend of cast, entertainment, and Competetiveness.