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re: Most Powerful Jedi?

Posted on 6/30/11 at 12:15 am to
Posted by Starchild
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Posted on 6/30/11 at 12:15 am to
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I have no idea on what the hell you're talking about. I mean I thought I was a Star Wars nerd, but I have no clue what you are talking about.


Basically the style that Mace used was about as close as you could get to the dark side while still keeping with the Jedi code. He was the ONLY one to ever master it and remain a Jedi. Others who tried either gave up because they couldn't master it or turned to the dark side.
Posted by Muppet
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Posted on 6/30/11 at 12:16 am to
Here's a dreaded Wookieepedia link.

Seven forms
Posted by Dab
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Posted on 6/30/11 at 12:19 am to
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There was a stigma in the Jedi Order prior to Windu that practitioners of the "ferocity form" were sure to turn to the dark side. It takes a greater amount of mental discipline than any of the other forms to wield without forsaking the Jedi code.


In your opinion, was Mace Windu (or his ferocity form) portrayed properly in the prequels? I haven't seen the films in a while, so I don't remember much about the char other than the purple lightsaber. Also, I haven't read any SW literature, so I don't know how well MW's form was explained.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 6/30/11 at 12:23 am to
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Basically the style that Mace used was about as close as you could get to the dark side while still keeping with the Jedi code. He was the ONLY one to ever master it and remain a Jedi. Others who tried either gave up because they couldn't master it or turned to the dark side.


Let me rephrase this: I guarentee George Lucas has no idea what you're talking about. Plus why would they allow Mace Windu to master an art that makes everyone turn to the dark side, him being the first and only exception. They don't allow Jedi to marry, frick, and love for fear that they'll turn evil (you know something the vast majority of people don't do when they commit these acts), but they are fine with him learning an art that has made people go evil without fail? This may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 6/30/11 at 12:27 am to
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In your opinion, was Mace Windu (or his ferocity form) portrayed properly in the prequels?


frick no! Unless he was going to be a hot headed rival to Anakin, then Samuel Jackson is extremely miscast as him. Jackson is not known for playing wise and reserved characters, he's known for playing extremely impulsive foul mouthed mother frickers who can snap at any second. Does that sound like the type of guy who should be a Jedi?
Posted by Starchild
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 6/30/11 at 12:31 am to
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Let me rephrase this: I guarentee George Lucas has no idea what you're talking about. Plus why would they allow Mace Windu to master an art that makes everyone turn to the dark side, him being the first and only exception. They don't allow Jedi to marry, frick, and love for fear that they'll turn evil (you know something the vast majority of people don't do when they commit these acts), but they are fine with him learning an art that has made people go evil without fail? This may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.


There's only so much you can include in a 2 hour film and Mace wasn't a main character so his story was left out alot. He didn't learn it...he created it. And he was able to master it because he was hands down the BEST swordsman in the Jedi order as was shown by the fact that he beat Sidious, which even Yoda didn't do. Mace was also as infallably good as Yoda, so he could do it without turning to the dark side. Not all the Jedi were as pure as Mace, Yoda, and Obi-Wan so no one else was successful. I'm not entirely sure if those two ever even tried, but they probably didn't need to because they were much better masters of the Force than Mace.
Posted by Muppet
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 6/30/11 at 12:38 am to
I didn't get the sense that Mace Windu was even portrayed at all... he was a horribly wasted character in the prequels, with very few traits at all beyond being consistently surly and distant. Jackson's wooden delivery didn't help the matter.

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Let me rephrase this: I guarentee George Lucas has no idea what you're talking about. Plus why would they allow Mace Windu to master an art that makes everyone turn to the dark side, him being the first and only exception. They don't allow Jedi to marry, frick, and love for fear that they'll turn evil (you know something the vast majority of people don't do when they commit these acts), but they are fine with him learning an art that has made people go evil without fail? This may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.


To be more clear, the style of the seventh form had been around for millennia, but Windu adjusted it so that it may be wielded according to the Jedi Code. The Jedi do not reject the notions of anger or aggression - it would be naive to wish them away. Instead, they seek to channel them and contain them to the proper contexts through rigorous disciplinary training. Darth Maul used a variation of the same form without regard for any of that Zen bullshite.
Posted by LSUSaintsHornets
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Posted on 6/30/11 at 12:48 am to
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Obi Wan beat his arse.

Serious? Obi wan was running the whole fight, got the highground, but Vader's ego got him. He destroyed Dooku who beat Obi wan handily seconds earlier.
Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 6/30/11 at 1:36 am to
Wedge Antilles is still the coolest character.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 6/30/11 at 1:40 am to
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as was shown by the fact that he beat Sidious, which even Yoda didn't do.


I don't think he did honestly. I think it was all a ploy by Sidious to twist Anakin.
Posted by Volvagia
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Posted on 6/30/11 at 1:43 am to
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He perfected the most difficult and aggressive one-on-one saber form.


Specially tailored for Sith style of fighting as well.
Posted by Volvagia
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Posted on 6/30/11 at 1:48 am to
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I don't think he did honestly. I think it was all a ploy by Sidious to twist Anakin.



Compare the Windu fight and the Yoda fight.

Sidious seems to be moving slow and deliberately whereas against Yoda he is going all out, yelling in frustration when even his best can't get through Yoda's defense.

And Sidious didn't straight up beat Yoda. That was some bullshite thing IMO. Yeah, he is smaller so he got thrown further, but whats with the tricks of editing with the disappearing and reappearing railing that Sidious uses to get back on.

Digressions aside, Sidious won that one more from luck than skill...as evidenced by the fear he shows when Yoda counters his lightening attack.

Posted by purpletiger006
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Posted on 6/30/11 at 6:17 am to
I ended up being pretty badass by the end of "Knights of the Old Republic" . . .just sayin.
Posted by Dredsof DOOM
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 6/30/11 at 6:29 am to
Are we talking straight lightsaber to lightsaber combat or the total sum of what makes up a Jedi? In either case if you read any of the Expanded Universe after approximately 11 ABY all those Jedi would completely destroy any Jedi previous to that time. They are much, much, much more powerful because Luke gives them a much more loose framework to discover their abilities. That is a moot point however because the most powerful Jedi of all time was Luke Skywalker, hands down.
Posted by Sophandros
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 6/30/11 at 7:36 am to
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Darth Maul was so badass. Lucas totally fricked us with him. He should have been in Episode 2.


I'm of the opinion that Episode I should have been condensed to about 40 minutes, eliminate the death of Maul, show a training montage of Anakin, and have the last half of the movie with Anakin as a younger Jedi who eventually has to avenge Qui-Gon's death by defeating Maul.

ETA: Darth Maul had the potential to be one of the best villains out there. The rivalry between Maul and Anakin could have gone through a couple movies, with Anakin eventually turning and defeating his former adversary in order to become the primary Sith pupil.
This post was edited on 6/30/11 at 7:39 am
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 6/30/11 at 8:19 am to
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I'm of the opinion that Episode I should have been condensed to about 40 minutes, eliminate the death of Maul, show a training montage of Anakin, and have the last half of the movie with Anakin as a younger Jedi who eventually has to avenge Qui-Gon's death by defeating Maul.


I don't think Qui Gon should have really been in the series at all. The way I think the prequels should have gone is have Obi Wan as a recently promoted Jedi Master. Have him get into some sort of situation where he is nearly killed, but Anakin (a grown Anakin) comes to save him. Have Anakin already surprisingly knowledgable in the ways of the force, ones that he uses mostly for extortion and manipulation, like Jedi mind tricks and Force Chokes.

After escaping from a certain planet controlled by the Sith and witnessing Anakin's piloting skills and Force potential, he takes it on himself to train Anakin to use his Force power for the good of mankind and vows to make him into a Jedi Knight. They actually bond and we see them doing so. Maybe towards the end have Anakin and Obi Wan save a Queen or a Princess from Darth Maul and his army of clones (which should be Uruk Hai like beasts). The Clone Wars should begin in the first film, and Obi Wan announces to the Jedi that Anakin (someone only slightly younger than Obi Wan) will be his pupil, despite the protests of many of the members of the Jedi consule being against it.
Posted by hg
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 6/30/11 at 8:29 am to
The best fight could have been Darth Maul vs Windu.

Thanks Lucas
Posted by 800lbgorilla
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 6/30/11 at 8:32 am to
of all the reboots and remakes why can't someone just redo the prequals and act like they never happened? Sort of like the hulk remake.
Posted by Sophandros
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 6/30/11 at 9:05 am to
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OMLandshark


I'm thinking that we could have done a better job with the first three episodes, but then Lucas wouldn't have been able to give us the wonderful gift known as Jar-Jar.
Posted by the smoke monster
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Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 6/30/11 at 9:12 am to
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of all the reboots and remakes why can't someone just redo the prequals and act like they never happened? Sort of like the hulk remake.


+1, i'd be so down with that





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