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re: Michael is actually the villain in Godfather II

Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:55 pm to
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:55 pm to
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always saw Frank Pentangeli as a pawn that Michael was willing to sacrifice


Exactly. I think Michael saw Frankie as some old relic, no longer relevant in his new breed of mafia. Hwa used him til he no longer needed him.

Frankie was basically the last of the old school hoods who came up the hard way and sort of stuck to old code of disliking drugs and distrusting everyone not Italian.

He should be, that role was meant to be Clememza, which outside of a few lines during his Character intro about Clememnza's "heart attack", the dialogue was basically unaltered besides his name.

Clemenza, remember, was even more old school than Vito, as far as American Street crime goes.

But Michael probably thought Frankie/Clememza were stupid to stay behind and cling to the old ways. It was obvious from the way he strung him along in Tahoe. This guy was technically the #1 east of the rockies and he was dealt with like a bit like a tougher version of Fredo.
This post was edited on 1/24/19 at 6:57 pm
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
17603 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:58 pm to
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He had a clear vision that you have to eliminate your enemies completely to survive


He didn’t feel you had to eliminate your enemies.

“Keep your friend close but your enemies closer.”
Posted by TigersFan64
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2014
4755 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:58 pm to
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Maybe that's the point. He was this nice kid who was outside the business and then got the reigns and the power corrupted him


That's it exactly. At the beginning of the Godfather, I think he honestly wants no part of the "family business." But circumstances draw him in due to his love for this father, and by the end of the Godfather, he has become totally corrupted.

ETA: "And remember, whoever comes to you about this Barzini meeting, he's the traitor. Don't forget that."
This post was edited on 1/24/19 at 8:02 pm
Posted by TigersFan64
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2014
4755 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 8:08 pm to
Tessio: "Tell Mike it was only business. I always liked him."


Clemenza: "Hello Carlo..."
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