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re: Men In Black International - Tomatometer 28%

Posted on 6/13/19 at 8:22 am to
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 6/13/19 at 8:22 am to
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honestly i'm surprised it is at 35% - seems way too high to me.
The average rating of 4.53 is lower than Dark Phoenix's 4.57.

So the critics largely think MIBI is worse.

Don't look at the RT score,look at the review score
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 6/13/19 at 8:24 am to
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Don't look at the RT score,look at the review score


People outright refuse to understand this concept
Posted by Jay Are
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Posted on 6/13/19 at 8:31 am to
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How many of those movies did people see BECAUSE Tessa Thompson was in them? None.


Well, the last one for sure, as she's the lead of Little Woods.

But the post I was responding to didn't claim she was the lead or main draw of films. Is it odd to cast someone as a co-lead after such a successful string of prominent supporting performances? No.

A bunch of the reviews also cite her as good in the movie, along with Hemsworth. So complaining about Thompson before seeing the movie is revealing of some bias you have against her, and not against the squad of writers and hack director you should be blaming for cranking out a half-baked product.
Posted by TotesMcGotes
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Posted on 6/13/19 at 8:54 am to
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You'd think they'd maybe do some market research to see what people would like to see

Doing that kind of “research” in order to determine what film to make next is the kind of thinking that ruins major studio films.
Posted by RLDSC FAN
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Posted on 6/13/19 at 9:16 am to
Down to 30%
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Posted on 6/13/19 at 9:30 am to
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Down to 30%

Review score is now slightly ahead of Dark Phoenix, though
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Posted on 6/13/19 at 9:33 am to
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Well, the last one for sure, as she's the lead of Little Woods.
And 10 or 11 people saw it.
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Posted on 6/13/19 at 9:37 am to
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But the post I was responding to didn't claim she was the lead or main draw of films.
"Star power" is what the post you were responding to used.

"Star power" is generally used to describe an actor's ability to draw attention to a movie and sell tickets.

I was saying he was correct, she does not have much star power. I never said she was a poor actress or anything. There are many talented actors with little to no star power.
Posted by TotesMcGotes
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Posted on 6/13/19 at 9:44 am to
I don’t know that the concept of placing a movie star in a film and having that film perform at the box office solely due to his or her presence in the film still applies today. It’s a concept of yesteryear.
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:01 am to
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Don't look at the RT score,look at the review score

Most reviewers are shills now. I really just go by the fan scores or word of mouth. For a movie this big, it's hard to stack the fan reviews because there are so many of them.

If it's a complicated movie that I know a lot of average people might not appreciate, anything over 60% will get me optimistic. A movie like this, however, one that is designed for mass appeal, needs at least 70% for me to even consider paying to see it.
Posted by TigerMyth36
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Posted on 6/13/19 at 11:16 am to
I disliked the third installment enough to have zero interest in this one. Trailer looked like arse too.
Posted by SECdragonmaster
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Posted on 6/13/19 at 12:03 pm to
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Also watch 21 jump street, which may be the last really good main stream comedy that’s come out in this decade


This is 22 jump street but I was laughing so hard it hurt.
Posted by Jay Are
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Posted on 6/13/19 at 3:53 pm to
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"Star power" is generally used to describe an actor's ability to draw attention to a movie and sell tickets.


This applied to Cary grant, James Stewart, other old Hollywood greats. Not even the biggest stars, such as Brad Pitt, have this kind of power. If they did people would have gone to see Fury or Allied, but they did not. Does Brad Pitt have no star power, or, as someone above mentioned, is this a totally outdated concept?

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And 10 or 11 people saw it.


The capacity of some on this board for dismissing small movies for being small is baffling to me. Are you saying Little Woods wasn't seen because of Thompson? Do you really think that because it was an indie movie, her work in it should be discounted?

Do you also think that someone like Chris Evans is doing his best work in Captain America, as opposed to the smaller movies he's been in?

But this argument is dumb. Your opinion is based on an outdated concept, but stars become stars. They don't start that way. Cary Grant and Brad Pitt were both bit players until someone took a chance on them in leads. Thompson had enough strong supporting roles in successful movies for someone to take that leap.
This post was edited on 6/13/19 at 4:03 pm
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Posted on 6/13/19 at 6:48 pm to
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Not even the biggest stars, such as Brad Pitt, have this kind of power.
Sure they do.

How many go see Fury without Pitt?

Box office draws are most certainly still a thing. It can work for you, or against you. Why do you think high profile castings are still prominently reported? Or why the big name actor gets put front and center on the movie poster. . .even though he is in the film for 7 seconds?

Star power still matters.

Tessa just doesn't have it, yet. Maybe she will have a real breakout role that propels her forward, like a Basic Instinct, Million Dollar Baby, or a Pretty Woman.

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The capacity of some on this board for dismissing small movies for being small is baffling to me.
You used it as an example of her "star power" or whatever. I just pointed out that it was dumb.

I have seen the film, by the way. She is pretty good in it. But if it was evidence of her "star power", the movie should have had more success.

She is a decent actress, but she hasn't really broken out. She might, she might not.

MIBI is certainly not the boost she had hoped it would be, it would seem.

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They don't start that way. Cary Grant and Brad Pitt were both bit players until someone took a chance on them in leads. Thompson had enough strong supporting roles in successful movies for someone to take that leap.

So you are bailing on your previous assertion that Tessa HAS star power?

Because if you are now saying she is trying to breakout, I will agree with you.
This post was edited on 6/13/19 at 6:53 pm
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 6/13/19 at 6:50 pm to
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I don’t know that the concept of placing a movie star in a film and having that film perform at the box office solely due to his or her presence in the film still applies today. It’s a concept of yesteryear.

It is still a big deal. Probably not AS big a deal as when there were only 10-15 decent actors in Hollywood. . .

. . .but assuredly still a very big deal.
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