re: Marvel tone vs. DC tone

I was speaking of "IT" not DCEU fwiw. Must have hated the new movie, no accounting for taste guess.

Quality aside, the DCEU is attempting to explore how a Superman-like figure would be perceived in the today's society.

Does everything work about it, certainly not, but one has to give props for attempting to make a character that many, even comic book culture itself, has started to view as outdated and irrelevant. Nolan kicked this all off and the success of that is following its natural direction now in the dceu.

Suddenly people want "classic" Superman, but when we got that in Superman Returns, people clearly had had enough of the boring superman saves an airplane and stops Lex luthor's latest land grab sthick.

This isn't to say DCEU is perfect...Suicide Squad was a shite story, but could have been great with a few tweeks to the plot. Man of Steel was generally good if one can get past the "OMG he isn't saving everyone, classic Superman would have," and BvS failed utterly in its casting choice of Lex.

And before I start getting called a synder fanboy, I say this as a fan of both movie universes and all their films. Maybe I've just read too many comics and can tolerate different takes on comic book characters than what is preceived as the standard better than most.

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This is so disingenuous.

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Why? Oh....is it because the MCU paved the way for the success that the DCEU now enjoys at the box office? Give me a freaking break. Comic book movies were popular before the summer of 2008 and the release of Iron Man and The Dark Knight. Spider-Man was the first movie to ever make over $100 million in a weekend. Up until Wonder Woman this past summer, it was still the highest grossing superhero origin movie of all-time.

X-Men's release in 2000 is what got the comic book movie's ball rolling. Not the release of Iron Man or The Dark Knight.

And, newsflash: Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman are more popular characters than anything the MCU has (save perhaps Spider-Man). There's a reason why those movies have made more money at this point in the universe.

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Why? Oh....is it because the MCU paved the way for the success that the DCEU now enjoys at the box office? Give me a freaking break. Comic book movies were popular before the summer of 2008 and the release of Iron Man and The Dark Knight. Spider-Man was the first movie to ever make over $100 million in a weekend. Up until Wonder Woman this past summer, it was still the highest grossing superhero origin movie of all-time.

X-Men's release in 2000 is what got the comic book movie's ball rolling. Not the release of Iron Man or The Dark Knight.

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Stop bringing facts into these discussions.

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I feel like this meme is fairly accurate.

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We've been over this Landass, all film (just like any other art form) is subjective. To me Battlefield Earth is a terrible movie. But I've run across people who think it's an 8/10.

A lot of people on this board give Batman v. Superman low marks. I give the Ultimate Edition a 7/10. The only DCEU film I really didn't care for was Suicide Squad.

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My biggest complaint against DC is with the exception of Wonder Woman, their is no attempt to understand the characters on the part of Warner. When I watch those movies I think, "that isn't Superman" or "batman wouldn't do that."

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Well, that's kinda the point. This is a universe where not just Superman, but the world including Batman are struggling to understand the ramifications of an god-like being with near limitless power suddenly making his presence known and felt.

For us the viewer, we've developed very concrete notions of these characters over 75+ years of existence. So many things that we feel aren't true to the characters at the moment doesn't mean those attributes won't develop as the characters mature throughout the series.

Take Batman for example. Branding people is something one would never expect from him. In the context of the universe though, that action is an effect of Superman's presence. He felt the need to escalate his crusade because of his fear of a Superman gone rogue.

For us, it's a given that Batman would embrace the heroics of Superman. But this Batman shares the same fears that many have of what could happen if Superman decides to force his will and power upon humanity. It is only after he realizes that Superman, despite his power, is every much a human as him that perhaps Superman deserves a chance to prove himself, which he really does by sacrificing himself in the battle with doomsday.

The problem is that Snyder has Superman portrayed as a selfish, short-sighted child that doesn't truly become Superman until he dies.

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Fixed it for you.

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No, you didn't. Blade made just $70 million in the United States. Batman & Robin, released just one year before Blade, made over $100 million domestically. So one could easily say that Batman & Robin caused the revolution in comic book movies. But, of course, that would be asinine.

X-Men made $160 million and exceeded box office expectations. Spider-Man was greenlit by Sony as a result of X-Men's success.

Pretty spot on. Marvel is so hokey.