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Posted on 4/1/09 at 9:50 pm to memphis tiger
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After all the shite Ben has done, Kate, Sawyer, and Juliet of all people save him. REALLY???
Massive epic fail on Kate's part especially when Richard clearly explained what was gonna go down.
Posted on 4/1/09 at 9:51 pm to foreverLSU
Memphis
I call BS. You seem to think letting a child die and being complicit in his death would be easy.
It is easy to say you would let him die, but in reality it would not be easy. I actually call BS on Jack not saving him. I find that harder to believe.
I call BS. You seem to think letting a child die and being complicit in his death would be easy.
It is easy to say you would let him die, but in reality it would not be easy. I actually call BS on Jack not saving him. I find that harder to believe.
Posted on 4/1/09 at 9:54 pm to TigerMyth36
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I call BS. You seem to think letting a child die and being complicit in his death would be easy.
If you went back in time and a 12 year old Adolf was dying, would you let hime die or hand him over to the Nazi Party?
Posted on 4/1/09 at 9:55 pm to lsumatt
Not even in the same ball park comparing Ben to Adolf.
We are civilized people. Ben is indirectly involved in several deaths and kidnapping. If he committed the same crimes in real life and got shot. He would be taken to a Hospital. Not left to die.
So once again, I call BS on it being easy to let Ben die. Widmore has done far more damage to the Losties than Ben.
We are civilized people. Ben is indirectly involved in several deaths and kidnapping. If he committed the same crimes in real life and got shot. He would be taken to a Hospital. Not left to die.
So once again, I call BS on it being easy to let Ben die. Widmore has done far more damage to the Losties than Ben.
This post was edited on 4/1/09 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 4/1/09 at 9:56 pm to TigerMyth36
I agree that based on the character's histories, Jack seem like the one who would have caved and saved him.
But the other three have all done pretty cold and calculated things, with the attitude that the ends justify the means. I don't buy them saving Ben, especially knowing what he becomes. Especially Juliet.
But the other three have all done pretty cold and calculated things, with the attitude that the ends justify the means. I don't buy them saving Ben, especially knowing what he becomes. Especially Juliet.
Posted on 4/1/09 at 9:58 pm to TigerMyth36
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Not even in the same ball park comparing Ben to Adolf.
Riiiiight. Ben committed genocide (ahem by gas), kidnapped, mudered, stole, put people into slavery, and brainwashed. Yeah, Ben isn't even close to Hitler.
Posted on 4/1/09 at 9:59 pm to lsumatt
Oh yeah, 40 people is exactly the same as 12 million.
Oh and these same people just agreed to go with him back on the plane and hung out with him.
Oh and these same people just agreed to go with him back on the plane and hung out with him.
This post was edited on 4/1/09 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 4/1/09 at 10:00 pm to TigerMyth36
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Oh yeah, 40 people is exactly the same as 12 million.
Had there been 12 million people in Dharma on the Island, he probably would have killed all 12 million. I am not even sure Hitler would have gassed his own dad.
Posted on 4/1/09 at 10:02 pm to lsumatt
Sure. 40 = 26 million Russians.
Sorry, they are not remotely the same.
And we have no idea why Ben did what he did. The Dharma people aren't so warm and fuzzy, they voted 100% to kill Sayid just for entering their space.
Oh and great dad. Constantly blames his son for the death of his wife and beats him. Na. No reason for Ben to maybe want him out of the picture.
Not saying Ben isn't pyscho but there is more grey than white. Dharma is not exactly a group of friendlies. And Ben's father is a douche.
And Ben is not in the same ballpark as Hitler.
Sorry, they are not remotely the same.
And we have no idea why Ben did what he did. The Dharma people aren't so warm and fuzzy, they voted 100% to kill Sayid just for entering their space.
Oh and great dad. Constantly blames his son for the death of his wife and beats him. Na. No reason for Ben to maybe want him out of the picture.
Not saying Ben isn't pyscho but there is more grey than white. Dharma is not exactly a group of friendlies. And Ben's father is a douche.
And Ben is not in the same ballpark as Hitler.
This post was edited on 4/1/09 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 4/1/09 at 10:13 pm to TigerMyth36
Richard said something like Ben will lose all innocense if I take him. Then in the next episode previews John Locke to grown up Ben: welcome back to the land of the living. So did Richard save Ben by taking him to the Temple completing some kind of time jump or transformation?
Posted on 4/1/09 at 10:15 pm to davesdawgs
I guess what happened to Ben is the same thing that happened to Russeau's crew?
Posted on 4/1/09 at 10:16 pm to davesdawgs
Well remember the people in Rouseau's group changed after entering the temple.
I would assume that once in the temple, you somehow become aligned with doing anything to protect the island.
Dharma is trespassing, thus Ben in compelled by the island to destroy Dharma.
I would assume that once in the temple, you somehow become aligned with doing anything to protect the island.
Dharma is trespassing, thus Ben in compelled by the island to destroy Dharma.
Posted on 4/1/09 at 10:18 pm to davesdawgs
The part that I find hard to believe is Sayid not getting the job done. The man is an accomplished assassin, like he is going to shoot a round in the chest area and just run off.
Posted on 4/1/09 at 10:19 pm to davesdawgs
I am just now watching. WOW how hard was that for Kate to leave Aaron? I can't even imagine 
Posted on 4/1/09 at 10:22 pm to GeauxLSUSam
Ark
I hate that in movies and TV when people shoot once and leave their ultra enemy on the group without putting a few more shits in. Just happened on Breaking Bad a few episodes ago.
When Sayid ran off, I thought no way he doesn't pump a couple in the head. I mean once you make the decision to kill Ben, might as well make sure you finish it.
I hate that in movies and TV when people shoot once and leave their ultra enemy on the group without putting a few more shits in. Just happened on Breaking Bad a few episodes ago.
When Sayid ran off, I thought no way he doesn't pump a couple in the head. I mean once you make the decision to kill Ben, might as well make sure you finish it.
This post was edited on 4/1/09 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 4/1/09 at 10:27 pm to davesdawgs
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So did Richard save Ben by taking him to the Temple completing some kind of time jump or transformation?
Ben's on the island in the future with Sun, Locke, and the other castaways from the Ajira flight. Remember he was unconsious on the beach due to Sun, and Locke told that woman the last thing he remembered was dying.
Posted on 4/1/09 at 10:28 pm to TigerMyth36
Ben's dad was a shitty father. But lots of people have shitty fathers and they don't kill them in cold blood w/o remorse. His dad had serious flaws, but wasn't all bad. He sincerely cared about his son when he almost died.
The Dharma folks as a whole aren't perfect either, but the Sayid thing was a natural reaction. This cold war (truce), has put fear in them. The Others were ready to off anyone who broke the truce. How is Dharma gonna react.
Back to Ben. He has done (or his army of Others have done) almost every imaginable evil thing you can think of. Murder, genocide, slavery, kidnapping, torture/brainwash, and I am convinced Ethan was ready to rape Claire. And Ben has done it all with little to no remorse. If Ben and the Others are Nazi-esque, I don't know what is.
The Dharma folks as a whole aren't perfect either, but the Sayid thing was a natural reaction. This cold war (truce), has put fear in them. The Others were ready to off anyone who broke the truce. How is Dharma gonna react.
Back to Ben. He has done (or his army of Others have done) almost every imaginable evil thing you can think of. Murder, genocide, slavery, kidnapping, torture/brainwash, and I am convinced Ethan was ready to rape Claire. And Ben has done it all with little to no remorse. If Ben and the Others are Nazi-esque, I don't know what is.
Posted on 4/1/09 at 10:29 pm to DanglingFury
I think all he did was heal him in the temple which I believe makes one attuned to the island and under some compulsion to do whatever it takes to keep the island safe.
Posted on 4/1/09 at 10:34 pm to TigerMyth36
would you save a young Derrick Todd Lee since his deaths are closer in number to Ben's?
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