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re: LOST is by far the best TV Series ever written
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:09 pm to LanierSpots
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:09 pm to LanierSpots
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LOST is by far the best TV Series ever written
Literally the worst thing about the show was the writing. There are a lot of good things about the show, and it was a crazy frustrating and fun experience, but the overall narrative was sort of awful.
They used a metric ton of plot devices and convenient shortcuts to get Lost done.
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The story was very coherent.
Nada.
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It may have been fictional but that is pretty much every story told
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Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:11 pm to Freauxzen
Enjoy an upvote
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:49 pm to rondo
Here's what LOST was and will forever be more than any show before it or since (at least at this point): it's the show that challenged its audience to engage with one another and theorize. Half the fun with LOST was talking about it online. The twists were very smart, and it kept everyone on their toes. I can't think of a "twist" that I was unsatisfied with. They would constantly hint well in advance on what the twists could be, so none of them felt cheap. Season 3's twist is disputably the greatest plot twist ever for instance and solely justified LOST getting another 3 seasons.
That's what makes it one of the greatest shows of all time. The writing was decent and the characters were great, but it wasn't the dialog that kept us coming back (with some exceptions); it was the twists, characters, and feels.
That's what makes it one of the greatest shows of all time. The writing was decent and the characters were great, but it wasn't the dialog that kept us coming back (with some exceptions); it was the twists, characters, and feels.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 6/26/17 at 3:03 am to LanierSpots
Even though I hated the ending, I have to go with Dexter as one of the best series. Just my .02
Posted on 6/26/17 at 3:34 am to LanierSpots
Hahahahaha
Posted on 6/26/17 at 5:25 am to LanierSpots
I watched Lost when it came out and I got the feeling the writers only planned for 1 season. Like they assumed the show sound be cancelled.
But it didn't get cancelled and the writers were left scrambling to figure out wtf the show was about. They seemed to be flying by the seat of their pants after the first season.
But it didn't get cancelled and the writers were left scrambling to figure out wtf the show was about. They seemed to be flying by the seat of their pants after the first season.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 6:31 am to Tackle74
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Game of Thrones
Breaking Bad
Fargo
The Wire
Sopranos
Some of these are never going to be a good example to challenge lost. The Wire was a good show but nothing about it was original. A cop show where they fought drug crime in the hood where the main character was damaged and a alcoholic? Sorry that story has been writing 100 times on every cop show. GOT was a book. The Sopranos is very typical gangster movies with the psychology angle written in.
Lost made people use their minds and did not lay everything out on a silver platter. Who knows how many seasons was originally written and how it got there but the writing took you to places no other story has and was the biggest thing going till it ended.
There were loose ends but every story has them and there was so much to the story, there was no way to tie everything up and lay everything out for you. I am not sure what type of ending people were looking for that would have satisfied them
Posted on 6/26/17 at 6:35 am to OMLandshark
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Half the fun with LOST was talking about it online. The twists were very smart, and it kept everyone on their toes. I can't think of a "twist" that I was unsatisfied with. They would constantly hint well in advance on what the twists could be, so none of them felt cheap. Season 3's twist is disputably the greatest plot twist ever for instance and solely justified LOST getting another 3 seasons.
You are making my point for me. The twists are part of the writing. I recently did a rewatch with my wife who had not seen it. It was fun watching her go through the emotions that I did when I first saw it. Yes there was discussion about it and some confusion but like you said, that is what makes a great series....
Posted on 6/26/17 at 6:50 am to LanierSpots
Written?
No.
One of the most entertaining ever?
Yes, the acting was superb, even through the uneven years of writing.
No.
One of the most entertaining ever?
Yes, the acting was superb, even through the uneven years of writing.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 7:08 am to LanierSpots
I'll get blasted for this but I just couldn't stand the last few seasons. I binge watched the entire show, but when it came to the last season, I don't know what happened but I just couldn't finish it. It was an entertaining series but far far from being the best written.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 7:42 am to MisterFaster
Not gonna blast you at all. I can understand some not liking the timeline part of the show.
But for me, Lost was about the Characters. Not the story as much. They characters coming full circle in the last season really hit home with me. Each one, in their own way made a specific journey and season 6 completed that.
I got very connected with them and that made season 6 one of my favorites and is probably why I liked the finale as much as I did.
But for me, Lost was about the Characters. Not the story as much. They characters coming full circle in the last season really hit home with me. Each one, in their own way made a specific journey and season 6 completed that.
I got very connected with them and that made season 6 one of my favorites and is probably why I liked the finale as much as I did.
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 8:43 am
Posted on 6/26/17 at 8:38 am to OMLandshark
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Half the fun with LOST was talking about it online.
Quite possible more.
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The twists were very smart, and it kept everyone on their toes.
Most of the twists were convenient, illogical, and simply built to get characters from one place to another.
Characters on Lost had almost no agency as characters outside of being tools for the writers to execute Order 66 or whatever they were doing. Need Jack to do A to get to B, to cause Sawyer to do C...Jack wouldn't do A, but it never mattered. Now, a few characters did move beyond that (Desmond and Juliet in particular, sometimes Sawyer) but overall most characters were super thin, and were "good" because dialog was often sharp, production values were off the charts, and they did looks cool and make the occasional super important decision, but it was rarely earned.
(Note: Some people will say the characters had no agency because "the island" was controlling them or whatever. Yeah that's dumb, so don't go there.)
This is also why Ben Linus is a massive sham of a character. His continued existence on the show was a complete fabrication and driven solely by people's weird affection for him, but that's a longer discussion.
And the twists only keep people on their toes because the writers were bound and determined to alter paths that the audience had figured out. This is not smart, planned writing. This is reactive writing.
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I can't think of a "twist" that I was unsatisfied with. They would constantly hint well in advance on what the twists could be, so none of them felt cheap.
I know I can't say because I'm critical, but you're telling me not ONE single twist or reveal was lame? Not one?
Not even Smoke Monster or Abbadon not having anything mystical about him? I was really hoping he was going to be the island incarnate or something. Then he was just a lawyer. So much buildup, so little follow through.
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The writing was decent
Exactly, decent at best. So the thread itself is way off base.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 8:43 am to LanierSpots
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LOST is by far the best TV Series ever written
No. And keep your hands off of Watchmen.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 8:49 am to Freauxzen
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Characters on Lost had almost no agency as characters outside of being tools for the writers to execute Order 66 or whatever they were doing.
Your entire evaluation seem to be based on this one principal. But can we not say that about any series or movie? You seem to be stating that all the characters were just ways for the writers to get the story out. I do believe that is why they are there.
As for twists, every single twist on the show can be evaluated, explained or debunked. But once again, we can say that about every twist on every show.
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 8:49 am
Posted on 6/26/17 at 8:50 am to LanierSpots
There's a pretty significant difference of opinion between those that watched it live and those that binged it later. If you watched it live and spent a week between each episode over analyzing it with others, you think there's a ton of problems even though you still like it. If you binge it you tend to think it's great because you never did a deep dive on each episode exposing you to potential issues.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 8:51 am to LanierSpots
I punched out when the scary monster was in the jungle season 1.
Not only did they survive a plane crash on a deserted island, but this one happens to be the one island with a scary tree shaking monster that you can't see yet.
I heard it got better, but I could never suspend disbelief enough. I should probably rewatch it as a bubblegum sci fi show where literally anything is possible.
Not only did they survive a plane crash on a deserted island, but this one happens to be the one island with a scary tree shaking monster that you can't see yet.
I heard it got better, but I could never suspend disbelief enough. I should probably rewatch it as a bubblegum sci fi show where literally anything is possible.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 8:57 am to OMLandshark
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Here's what LOST was and will forever be more than any show before it or since (at least at this point): it's the show that challenged its audience to engage with one another and theorize. Half the fun with LOST was talking about it online. The twists were very smart, and it kept everyone on their toes. I can't think of a "twist" that I was unsatisfied with. They would constantly hint well in advance on what the twists could be, so none of them felt cheap. Season 3's twist is disputably the greatest plot twist ever for instance and solely justified LOST getting another 3 seasons.
LOST was basically a game you played with friends.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:02 am to ShoeBang
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I punched out when the scary monster was in the jungle season 1.
Not only did they survive a plane crash on a deserted island, but this one happens to be the one island with a scary tree shaking monster that you can't see yet.
I heard it got better, but I could never suspend disbelief enough. I should probably rewatch it as a bubblegum sci fi show where literally anything is possible.
If I quit watching every show or series at the point where "unbelievable" things happened, I would never get to finish anything. It is a fictional show that made you think as you went. There was not a "true life" answer for everything that happened on LOST. But the smoke monster was part of the mystery that eventually got answered in a exact way. Believable? Hell no. But explained exactly what it was.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:05 am to TigerinATL
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There's a pretty significant difference of opinion between those that watched it live and those that binged it later.
Ive done both so I do agree with you.
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. If you binge it you tend to think it's great because you never did a deep dive on each episode exposing you to potential issues.
I agree with this but there is a flaw. Its tough to deep dive into every episode when so many things are left hanging week to week when it may be a complete season before things get a explanation.
I dont think you can look at unanswered things week to week as "problems". That is what the story is for.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:10 am to Freauxzen
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I know I can't say because I'm critical, but you're telling me not ONE single twist or reveal was lame? Not one?
Not even Smoke Monster or Abbadon not having anything mystical about him? I was really hoping he was going to be the island incarnate or something. Then he was just a lawyer. So much buildup, so little follow through.
Anything having to do with "Across the Sea" I was unsatisfied with. Also, while not a twist, I was very unsatisfied with Sayid's overall arc.
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