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re: LOST "Everyone Loves Hugo" S6.E12 (Hurley-centric)
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:27 pm to Hot Carl
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:27 pm to Hot Carl
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Haven't read the last few pages, but just thought I'd pop in to say that Stu, is indeed uppity. The uppitiest imho. And I think he doesn't like being called it because he's black. Only explanation for his irrational hatred for our North American brothers south of the border.
gotcha. I missed all the backstory.
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Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:32 pm to RidiculousHype
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Could be a dumb question:
MIB supposedly "took over" Locke's body, yet MIB in Locke's body walks by Locke's dead body on the beach. How were there 2 Locke bodies at one time?
Good question. I think MIB only takes the form of a body, rather than inhabit the body like making it a zombie. Think of Claire and Sayid as being claimed, or infected. They're still under the control of MIB but also separate entities, ie zombies, whereas FLocke is MIB shapeshifted to look like Locke. This is why people are speculating that MIB was serious when he said that Jacob stole his humanity, his body, to Richard, in an earlier episode this season.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 2:12 pm to STLSU
here's something I could use help with clearing up. I've rewatched as much as I could and couldn't come up with an answer:
-Smokie lives on the main island
-Smokie can't cross water
-Dharma builds the Hydra station
-To the best of my knowledge, Dharma never put up pylons on the Hydra island
-I am concluding that no pylons means Dharma felt no threat from the smoke monster
-thereby further strengthening the notion that Smokie cant cross water, not even to the Hydra station
So.......
-Ajira lands on Hydra Island, dead Locke in tow
-we know MIB took the form of Locke
-Flocke and Ben take the boat back to the main island
How in the frick did he get over the Hydra Island to begin with??????
I know I'm missing something, what do I need to rewatch??
-Smokie lives on the main island
-Smokie can't cross water
-Dharma builds the Hydra station
-To the best of my knowledge, Dharma never put up pylons on the Hydra island
-I am concluding that no pylons means Dharma felt no threat from the smoke monster
-thereby further strengthening the notion that Smokie cant cross water, not even to the Hydra station
So.......
-Ajira lands on Hydra Island, dead Locke in tow
-we know MIB took the form of Locke
-Flocke and Ben take the boat back to the main island
How in the frick did he get over the Hydra Island to begin with??????
I know I'm missing something, what do I need to rewatch??
Posted on 4/16/10 at 2:15 pm to Uncle Stu
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-Smokie can't cross water
This is wrong.
We've seen MIB on hydra island twice already. Once when Ajara landed and again when he and Widmore had "the war is coming" conversation.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 2:19 pm to Uncle Stu
Holy shiet Stu....I started thinking about this same issue last night as I rewatched this week's episode.
It just doesn't seem to make sense that MiB could take the form of Locke on Hydra as soon as Ajira crashed.
The only thing I can hypothesize is that possibly MiB did take Locke's form as soon as the Ajira plane crashed on Hydra, but that he somehow took Locke's form back on the main island and then took one of the outriggers back to Hydra, where he then integrated with the other Ajira survivors.
That's all I got brah.
It just doesn't seem to make sense that MiB could take the form of Locke on Hydra as soon as Ajira crashed.
The only thing I can hypothesize is that possibly MiB did take Locke's form as soon as the Ajira plane crashed on Hydra, but that he somehow took Locke's form back on the main island and then took one of the outriggers back to Hydra, where he then integrated with the other Ajira survivors.
That's all I got brah.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 2:23 pm to Antonio Moss
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This is wrong.
We've seen MIB on hydra island twice already. Once when Ajara landed and again when he and Widmore had "the war is coming" conversation.
But when MiB went to Hydra to speak with Widmore he did it via boat while he was in Locke's form. The issue with his initial appearance on Hydra after the Ajira crash is that prior to the Ajira crash he couldnt take Locke's form. Thus, how the frick did he take a boat from the main island to Hydra while in smoke form?
It seems the only two possible explanations are that MiB actually took Locke's form on the main island and then travelled to Hydra RIGHT after the crash OR he took a boat to Hydra prior to the crash in MiB v1.0 Titus Welliver form (which seems unlikely as we've only seen the MiB appear as Titus in scenes set way in the past on the Island).
Posted on 4/16/10 at 2:24 pm to Uncle Stu
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-To the best of my knowledge, Dharma never put up pylons on the Hydra island
-I am concluding that no pylons means Dharma felt no threat from the smoke monster
Only the barracks had pylons. None of the Dharma stations had pylons.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 2:24 pm to Uncle Stu
Do we know exactly when MIB took the form of Locke and headed over to the main island with Ben? I know at some point, Ilana and Jacob's body guards took the corpse over to the main island, but I guess that was later on?
I'll rewatch the last ep of seson 5 and LAX from this season to clear it up, hopefully.
I'll rewatch the last ep of seson 5 and LAX from this season to clear it up, hopefully.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 2:27 pm to STLSU
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Do we know exactly when MIB took the form of Locke and headed over to the main island with Ben?
For my money, I would bet it was as soon as Ajara flew within the cone of the island. i.e. when Jack and the other 815s flashed back into the past.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 2:30 pm to TotallyTigers
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But when MiB went to Hydra to speak with Widmore he did it via boat while he was in Locke's form. The issue with his initial appearance on Hydra after the Ajira crash is that prior to the Ajira crash he couldnt take Locke's form. Thus, how the frick did he take a boat from the main island to Hydra while in smoke form?
First and foremost, I don't buy the "smokie can't cross water" theory. There really isn't any evidence to support.
But even if it were true, the Ajara plane passed over the main island before landing on hydra island (hence Jack and the 815ers flashing back to the main island in 1977). So MIB could have taken Locke's form at that second.
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It seems the only two possible explanations are that MiB actually took Locke's form on the main island and then travelled to Hydra RIGHT after the crash OR he took a boat to Hydra prior to the crash in MiB v1.0 Titus Welliver form (which seems unlikely as we've only seen the MiB appear as Titus in scenes set way in the past on the Island).
I think this is more likely.
This post was edited on 4/16/10 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 4/16/10 at 2:31 pm to Antonio Moss
Yeah, that does seem plausible. Sort of like smokie traveled upwards toward the plane?
Posted on 4/16/10 at 2:33 pm to Antonio Moss
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This is wrong.
maybe so, because that's the whole premise of my question
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We've seen MIB on hydra island twice already. Once when Ajara landed and again when he and Widmore had "the war is coming" conversation.
yeah, I know, but how did he get there the first time? Maybe I'm reading too much into this
Posted on 4/16/10 at 2:34 pm to STLSU
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smokie traveled upwards toward the plane?
that cant be the case. Mutherfuker cant even hop a 12' invisible fence
Posted on 4/16/10 at 2:40 pm to Antonio Moss
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First and foremost, I don't buy the "smokie can't cross water" theory. There really isn't any evidence to support.
The primary evidence is the convo from a couple episodes back between Sawyer, Sayid, and MiB when Sawyer asked the MiB why he doesnt just turn into smoke and fly his arse over to the other island, to which MiB responded "if I could do that, do you think I'd still be on this Island?" That strongly suggested that MiB can't cross the water in smoke form (though who knows he could just be full of shite and lying to Sawyer).
Also, we've yet to see him cross to the other Island in smoke form, it's only been in the form of Locke. Combine that with the fact that in all the previous seasons we've never seen Smokie appear on Hydra island.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 2:40 pm to STLSU
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Yeah, that does seem plausible. Sort of like smokie traveled upwards toward the plane?
I'm using the cone theory from the Season Four finale when the island jumped. As you recall, Jin, who was in the water jumped in time, but Jack Co., who were in the air during the jump stayed in the present.
This caused people to create the cone theory which basically states that electromagnetic power of the island pulsates in a cone like shape which is wide at the surface level and extends upward to a single point above the island.
We know that Ajara passed through this cone because Jack Co. flashed onto the main land prior to Ajara crashing on Hydra Island.
Therefore, its reasonable to think that it was possible for MIB to take the form of like beginning at that point.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 2:43 pm to TotallyTigers
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The primary evidence is the convo from a couple episodes back between Sawyer, Sayid, and MiB when Sawyer asked the MiB why he doesnt just turn into smoke and fly his arse over to the other island, to which MiB responded "if I could do that, do you think I'd still be on this Island?" That strongly suggested that MiB can't cross the water in smoke form (though who knows he could just be full of shite and lying to Sawyer).
Even then, we know he can cross the water in Locke/MIB form, so it's really irrelevant.
I guess IF we assume that MIb has no "body" and is only in smoke form prior to Locke's death and IF we assume that smokie can't cross water, then it would create a consistency problem with MIB taking the form of Locke in Hydra Island.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 2:52 pm to Antonio Moss
he cant cross water without a body is what he said...
he had locke's body when crossing to talk to widmore..
he must have used someone elses body to get there to steal locke's
he had locke's body when crossing to talk to widmore..
he must have used someone elses body to get there to steal locke's
Posted on 4/16/10 at 3:10 pm to The Eric
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he must have used someone elses body to get there to steal locke's
Hmmmm
Posted on 4/16/10 at 3:12 pm to Decatur
Which is interesting because now we know that certain dead people are trapped between worlds and have appeared on the island via whispers.
So is Christian trapped or has MIB just taken Christian's form in order to manipulate the islanders?
So is Christian trapped or has MIB just taken Christian's form in order to manipulate the islanders?
Posted on 4/16/10 at 3:16 pm to Antonio Moss
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So is Christian trapped or has MIB just taken Christian's form in order to manipulate the islanders?
All I know is we are still missing Christian's body. Really big mystery that needs to be resolved. Actually, if you include that first outtake scene on the pilot...Christian Shephard could be considered the very first LOST mystery.
Will he be the last reveal?
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