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re: LOST "Ab Aeterno" S6.E9 (Richard-centric)

Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:34 pm to
Posted by CE Tiger
Metairie
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Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:34 pm to
yea not buying the whole hell / gates of hell bit. i understand the keeping of the MIB on the island but i see it more of a pandora's box type of thing
Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:34 pm to
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Richard was petrified of not being absolved from his murder and going to hell and i think MIB caught onto this durring his smokey recon and used it to manipulate richard from the beginning



another great example of the things MiB can do because of his ability to "scan" people. He can tell them what they already believe or want to hear.

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Titus Welliver was badazz. Might just be the aura of the "original" MIB but I think he could end up being one of the show's best performances.


i know, he's awesome and it sucks that he probably won't be used that much because of MiB being stuck in Locke form
Posted by tuck
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:34 pm to
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Titus Welliver was badazz.

No doubt.
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Might just be the aura of the "original" MIB but I think he could end up being one of the show's best performances.

Terry O'Quinn and it's not even close!
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:35 pm to
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i know, he's awesome and it sucks that he probably won't be used that much because of MiB being stuck in Locke form


He'll definitely be used in the MIB episode.
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
46971 posts
Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:36 pm to
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Michael Emerson and it's not even close!


Posted by tuck
Member since Oct 2007
12653 posts
Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:36 pm to
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the island cant be hell since we have had a few leave it... you cant just leave hell
They said it wasn't hell in the episode.
This post was edited on 3/23/10 at 9:37 pm
Posted by CE Tiger
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
41907 posts
Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:37 pm to
i always kind of wrote the smoke monster off on the show thinking the producers made a huge mistake from the beginning with the whole scary monster destroying people. id love to go back and analyze the hell out of ever appearance now and see how from the beginning of the series the mib has been playing a HUGE role.
Posted by tuck
Member since Oct 2007
12653 posts
Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:37 pm to
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Michael Emerson and it's not even close
I can respect that.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
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Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:39 pm to
gotcha that makes sense. I guess the MIB took the form of his wife to convice him he was dead on teh ship? all a big dog and pony show by MIB to get Richard on his side.

Yes, the cork on the bottle makes sense, they aren't actually in hell, just on top of it somehow.

What is rattling in my head now is why would Jacob need to be replaced if he is a God like entity? How could he just be killed with a nife by Ben but then still talk to Hurley? Man there are so many layers in this. Can't wait for episode 15.
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
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Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:40 pm to
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Yes, the cork on the bottle makes sense, they aren't actually in hell, just on top of it somehow.


No, MIB is evil and Jacob keeps him contained.

Please don't post anymore spoilers btw.
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
46971 posts
Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:41 pm to
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How could he just be killed with a nife by Ben but then still talk to Hurley?


Hurley can see dead people? You really need to stop watching Lost.

Posted by tuck
Member since Oct 2007
12653 posts
Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:41 pm to
So are we all in agreement that MiB can either take smoke form or Locke form and nothing else?

The only reason I ask is because when Ben went to get judged by the smoke, MiB could transform into Alex. So just taking Locke's form when he came back to the island wasn't enough to make him "stick" in Locke form.

The only thing that could have made Locke stuck is when Jacob was killed. But I'm not sure how that works.

If Ilana is wrong about MiB being stuck as Locke, then MiB can still do some major league manipulation and might even be able to appear as Jacob.
Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
Member since Nov 2005
30979 posts
Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:41 pm to
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Hell is below the Island.


how do you know this?
Posted by SaintsRbettrthanlsu1
Member since Dec 2009
286 posts
Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:41 pm to
who is next episode about?
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:42 pm to
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The only thing that could have made Locke stuck is when Jacob was killed. But I'm not sure how that works.



The producers have confirmed this is the case.
Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
27057 posts
Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:42 pm to
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What is rattling in my head now is why would Jacob need to be replaced if he is a God like entity? How could he just be killed with a knife by Ben but then still talk to Hurley? Man there are so many layers in this. Can't wait for episode 15.


Hurley can talk to anyone who is dead, he has been able to forever. and Jacob could be killed by any human
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:43 pm to
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how do you know this?



The cork example?
Posted by tuck
Member since Oct 2007
12653 posts
Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:43 pm to
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how do you know this?
Because that is the analogy Jacob used. BTW, "below" implies a location. I guess technically it's probably "between" hell and earth. It separates hell from earth.
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
46971 posts
Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:44 pm to
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The cork example?


The cork example was referring to how Jacob was keeping evil contained on the island. Had nothing to do with hell.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130199 posts
Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:44 pm to
CE is right. The island isn't literally "over hell" with satan down there. Jacob explained it is many things, but most importantly, it is a darkness, like the infection now in Sayid and Claire, that is being kept at bay by the island.

It was clear that both Jacob and MiB were using "hell" because that was a term Richard could understand.
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