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re: Looks like Disney might be coming to grips with what they have done to the SW franchise
Posted on 6/15/18 at 6:48 am to Sneaky__Sally
Posted on 6/15/18 at 6:48 am to Sneaky__Sally
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the only thing established in TFA to my memory was really that Luke was on this island and had trained Ben before he went over to snoke. There has to be some sort of trigger that causes that turning but its hard to make that story given where he was dropped in.
He left a map behind, which seems odd for a guy who doesn't want to be found. Johnson pretended like this never happened and Rey just happened to stumble into him.
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Based on the little bit we saw, I can see how Luke, in a moment of weakness, could consider that option given all he has been through (I believe he sheathed the saber before Ben woke up, but that may be ambiguous based on what we saw). His own father being seduced by the dark side, being responsible for all those atrocities, Luke saves him and- defeats the emperor - only to see the dark side rising up in his nephew and thinking back on all they fought to destroy as well as seeing everything the dark side did to his father.
Luke would never murder his nephew in his sleep. It'd be like moving 30 years in the future of Schindler's List just to find Schindler running a concentration camp.
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Posted on 6/15/18 at 7:04 am to molsusports
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The present story is actually immoral in this sense. Success is apparently innate. Mentorship has no value.
Indeed, no need for discipline and practice. If you have talent everything will just come super easy to you. If you aren't born with incredible talent, you are fricked.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 7:09 am to OMLandshark
They always said that when the dark side killed Luke's father - so if he felt the dark side had already turned Ben, then perhaps he may have felt it was too late.
Also, he didn't follow through and attack, he considered it (pretty sure at least, been a while since I saw TFA. Think of it this way - Luke goes through the whole thing in the OT, i'm sure has some degree of knowledge of what happened the prequels / what his father did as Vader and so he finally gets a group of younglings to restart the Jedi Order and then sees darkness immediately infecting it. Would be pretty demoralizing, enough for him to consider it as well as fuel his thought process after going into solitude that the Jedi order has to end.
Kind of unintentionally touches on him leaving the map - he left the map behind for them to find him I guess. 10/5+ years in solitude brooding over what has happened can have a large effect on someone psyche and world outlook I bet.
It really comes out to is Luke the classical, unflappable hero, but no - just like yoda and Anakin and the others he also has failures.
Also, he didn't follow through and attack, he considered it (pretty sure at least, been a while since I saw TFA. Think of it this way - Luke goes through the whole thing in the OT, i'm sure has some degree of knowledge of what happened the prequels / what his father did as Vader and so he finally gets a group of younglings to restart the Jedi Order and then sees darkness immediately infecting it. Would be pretty demoralizing, enough for him to consider it as well as fuel his thought process after going into solitude that the Jedi order has to end.
Kind of unintentionally touches on him leaving the map - he left the map behind for them to find him I guess. 10/5+ years in solitude brooding over what has happened can have a large effect on someone psyche and world outlook I bet.
It really comes out to is Luke the classical, unflappable hero, but no - just like yoda and Anakin and the others he also has failures.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 7:10 am to Sneaky__Sally
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Sneaky__Sally
I think we found another Disney defender princess!!!
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They could have done the trilogy with the same morality - keep first movie, second movie have luke train rey and get exposed to snoke, third movie defeat snoke.
Umm, this is a winning strategy. It mirrors real life. Noone is looking to have their views on life changed by Star Wars, we just want a cool story that makes just a little sense.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 7:18 am to bamafan1001
There is no need to act all bitchy, i'm just discussing aspects of the story with the posters that seem to enjoy it. I've also said throughout that both TFA and TLJ werent' really good so I don't know what you are talking about.
Its fine except that they literally already told that story - just wait 30 years to come out with the same shite?
Its fine except that they literally already told that story - just wait 30 years to come out with the same shite?
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 7:20 am
Posted on 6/15/18 at 7:18 am to Breesus
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quote: JJ had a plan. RJ purposely threw it all away. And the studio didn't give a shite.
How ironic that a franchise that was hijacked to promote gender equality and social justice was ultimately destroyed by the incompetence of the woman in charge.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 7:28 am to bamafan1001
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How ironic that a franchise that was hijacked to promote gender equality and social justice was ultimately destroyed by the incompetence of the woman in charge.
This also happens within the film. One of the morals of the movie seems to be that women can frick anything up.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 7:30 am to bamafan1001
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ultimately destroyed
Posted on 6/15/18 at 7:40 am to Sneaky__Sally
I just think its great that both side of this battle for the entire galaxy could pretty much be rounded up by Roscoe P. Coltrain at this point.
The resistance can fit in the Falcon and the First Order has basically one main ship left (and is run by two incompetent people)
Who gives a @#$2 why they are fighting - any planet's regular police force could round them up, execute them all, and be done with it in the first two minutes of the next movie. Literally, in TLJ, no one cares to even come join the Resistance. No one cares.
The resistance can fit in the Falcon and the First Order has basically one main ship left (and is run by two incompetent people)
Who gives a @#$2 why they are fighting - any planet's regular police force could round them up, execute them all, and be done with it in the first two minutes of the next movie. Literally, in TLJ, no one cares to even come join the Resistance. No one cares.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 7:45 am to Tigerstark
quote:The galaxy’s response mirrors reality’s.
Who gives a @#$2 why they are fighting - any planet's regular police force could round them up, execute them all, and be done with it in the first two minutes of the next movie. Literally, in TLJ, no one cares to even come join the Resistance. No one cares.
You are right though. Everyone involved can be rounded up and disposed of by the Bunkie police force at this point.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 7:47 am to Sneaky__Sally
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Its fine except that they literally already told that story - just wait 30 years to come out with the same shite?
Who cares, if its a good story. Lots of great stories have followed a similar arc. Unless you want to write a story where the good guys don't win in the end, there really is no other way to approach it.
It seems you are attempting to justify aspects of this movie and trilogy. Its bad, it was poorly handled by incompetent people. You cant make chicken salad out of chicken shite. There is nothing redeeming about this trilogy. Its a good thing that people are hating on it like they are...otherwise the idea may get out that its ok to make more shite like this.
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 7:52 am
Posted on 6/15/18 at 8:41 am to bamafan1001
But it would have been the exact same arc. Find the kid with an unknown but noble background, blow up the big base, get trained by the master of the apprentice of the overall evil master, i assume try to redeem kylo and kill snoke.
Sure some nods to the OT are cool and whatever, but they have told this exact story once before. There are million other ways to go and if they had just taken some time and thought it out it could have been great.
Also i never said the movie was good, but a lot of the kylo and rey stuff is quite good, both are very compelling characters to me.
I know people hate on rey saying she has been too gifted in the force and things come too easy, which is true, but she doesn't really seem to care about any of that. She wanted to know her parents / know a family - got denied, started looking up to Han - he got killed.
Despite all that still looks for the good in Kylo and wants more than anything to turn him but just when she thinks it has happened, he turns on her. I feel for her.
Sure some nods to the OT are cool and whatever, but they have told this exact story once before. There are million other ways to go and if they had just taken some time and thought it out it could have been great.
Also i never said the movie was good, but a lot of the kylo and rey stuff is quite good, both are very compelling characters to me.
I know people hate on rey saying she has been too gifted in the force and things come too easy, which is true, but she doesn't really seem to care about any of that. She wanted to know her parents / know a family - got denied, started looking up to Han - he got killed.
Despite all that still looks for the good in Kylo and wants more than anything to turn him but just when she thinks it has happened, he turns on her. I feel for her.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 9:01 am to Sneaky__Sally
quote:That is another problem with her though.
I know people hate on rey saying she has been too gifted in the force and things come too easy, which is true, but she doesn't really seem to care about any of that. She wanted to know her parents / know a family - got denied, started looking up to Han - he got killed.
Despite all that still looks for the good in Kylo and wants more than anything to turn him but just when she thinks it has happened, he turns on her. I feel for her.
Not only is she so powerful that no one is a threat, but she is incorruptible.
At least Luke faultered and showed some doubt.
Her facing the dark side involved looking in a mirror.
There is so little controversy.
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 9:02 am
Posted on 6/15/18 at 9:09 am to Scruffy
I'll wait till the final movie to give a full opinion on Rey's character in this trilogy, but i've enjoyed her character through the first two.
I wills say her conflict seems largely more internal and dealing with her parents and looking for a family thus far.
I wills say her conflict seems largely more internal and dealing with her parents and looking for a family thus far.
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 9:10 am
Posted on 6/15/18 at 9:51 am to bamafan1001
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You cant make chicken salad out of chicken shite.
You can't make a cobb salad without fried chicken nowadays either.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 9:56 am to Sneaky__Sally
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But it would have been the exact same arc. Find the kid with an unknown but noble background, blow up the big base, get trained by the master of the apprentice of the overall evil master, i assume try to redeem kylo and kill snoke.
Sure some nods to the OT are cool and whatever, but they have told this exact story once before. There are million other ways to go and if they had just taken some time and thought it out it could have been great.
Also i never said the movie was good, but a lot of the kylo and rey stuff is quite good, both are very compelling characters to me.
I know people hate on rey saying she has been too gifted in the force and things come too easy, which is true, but she doesn't really seem to care about any of that. She wanted to know her parents / know a family - got denied, started looking up to Han - he got killed.
Despite all that still looks for the good in Kylo and wants more than anything to turn him but just when she thinks it has happened, he turns on her. I feel for her.
Agree with all of this. I actually like TFA less than TLJ for exactly this reason.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 12:00 pm to Sneaky__Sally
Disney and Kathleen Kennedy were IN CHARGE of the entire trilogy from the beginning. TFA was garbage but if you are going to make a trilogy, you have to follow the arc of the first movie. You cant allow a second director to trash it.
This is what happened in TLJ.
The force facetime was one of the most cringeworthy things ive ever seen in a film. Neither Rey nor Kylo are compelling characters. Hell Rey instantly is great at whatever she does, expert force user, better at hand to hand combat than elite soldiers, knows more about how to fix the Falcon than Han Solo, and flies it better than him. Shes also incorruptible, faces down the dark side of the force without even flinching.
Kylo has already been redeemed. He killed the ultimate baddy in Snoke and was only really turned evil by Luke who cowardly tried to kill him in his sleep. Now he has a noble goal to benevolently rule the galaxy. It seems Kylo ruling the space Nazis is a much better situation than Palpatine or Snoke.
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Find the kid with an unknown but noble background, blow up the big base, get trained by the master of the apprentice of the overall evil master, i assume try to redeem kylo and kill snoke.
This is what happened in TLJ.
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Also i never said the movie was good, but a lot of the kylo and rey stuff is quite good, both are very compelling characters to me.
The force facetime was one of the most cringeworthy things ive ever seen in a film. Neither Rey nor Kylo are compelling characters. Hell Rey instantly is great at whatever she does, expert force user, better at hand to hand combat than elite soldiers, knows more about how to fix the Falcon than Han Solo, and flies it better than him. Shes also incorruptible, faces down the dark side of the force without even flinching.
Kylo has already been redeemed. He killed the ultimate baddy in Snoke and was only really turned evil by Luke who cowardly tried to kill him in his sleep. Now he has a noble goal to benevolently rule the galaxy. It seems Kylo ruling the space Nazis is a much better situation than Palpatine or Snoke.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 1:15 pm to bamafan1001
TLJ sucked, regardless of race, age, gender, or sexuality.
So did Prometheus
So did the third Godfather
So did Indiana Jones and the Ancient Aliens
its ok for someone to think a movie sucks.
So did Prometheus
So did the third Godfather
So did Indiana Jones and the Ancient Aliens
its ok for someone to think a movie sucks.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:22 pm to bamafan1001
I've said the whole time that Disney and them were idiots for not having and following through with single vision.
And yes it what happened in the second movie - one again, i haven't said either TFA or TLJ were good or compelling movies. Largely because they have followed essentially the same plot.
That said, I personally ind internal conflict compelling in characters, both rey and kylo have that in spades. Only redeeming aspects of the movies IMO.
Kylo hasn't been redeemed, he is power hungry and we both know he isn't a benevolent dictator.
And yes it what happened in the second movie - one again, i haven't said either TFA or TLJ were good or compelling movies. Largely because they have followed essentially the same plot.
That said, I personally ind internal conflict compelling in characters, both rey and kylo have that in spades. Only redeeming aspects of the movies IMO.
Kylo hasn't been redeemed, he is power hungry and we both know he isn't a benevolent dictator.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:25 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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personally ind internal conflict compelling in characters, both rey and kylo have that in spades. Only redeeming aspects of the movies IMO
What internal conflict does Rey have?
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