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re: Looks like Disney might be coming to grips with what they have done to the SW franchise
Posted on 6/14/18 at 11:56 am to CarRamrod
Posted on 6/14/18 at 11:56 am to CarRamrod
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ohh you want to refer to things you edited in previous posts.
I edited that to respond to your edit, champ. It wasn't some last minute change or trickery. Again, learn to Internet.
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So idk how you think the character was done well.
Show me where I said the character was done well. I've said quite the opposite.
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Posted on 6/14/18 at 11:56 am to CarRamrod
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im confunsed?
Obviously.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 12:27 pm to CarRamrod
He's a troll, Ramrod.
He talks in generalities, then pretends he was being specific. He turns arguments into personal attacks deflecting from the original points. When he runs out of those, he simply says "wrong" or "no" without any explanation. Every post you make will have 4 downvotes and every one of his will have 4 upvotes immediately. That's why he's offline now. He's logging into each one. It's the most pathetic thing I've ever seen on TD.
He talks in generalities, then pretends he was being specific. He turns arguments into personal attacks deflecting from the original points. When he runs out of those, he simply says "wrong" or "no" without any explanation. Every post you make will have 4 downvotes and every one of his will have 4 upvotes immediately. That's why he's offline now. He's logging into each one. It's the most pathetic thing I've ever seen on TD.
This post was edited on 6/14/18 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 6/14/18 at 12:27 pm to Argonaut
whats it like being the only person upvoting your own posts?
Posted on 6/14/18 at 1:59 pm to CarRamrod
Jesus, the upvote/dowvote thing is fricking pathetic. How is this thread still going?
This post was edited on 6/14/18 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 6/14/18 at 2:10 pm to TigerstuckinMS
Downvote
Posted on 6/14/18 at 2:12 pm to CarRamrod
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Personally I am fine with Luke's character in TLJ -
you are fine with completely changing a character after he was built up for 4 movies and almost 40 years?
Well characters are able to change / develop over a lifetime. He better be changed in some fashion relative to Jedi given how much older he is. Its not what I would have done but I can see how he may have gotten to that mindset given what we know about him and what they showed in TLJ.
This has been argued profusely on here so if you just are looking for a back and forth internet argument - lets just not do that thing all over again.
I'd be happy to discuss it if you legitimately want to.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 2:22 pm to Scruffy
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There are no plot points to talk about.
There is nothing to even discuss.
How are they supposed to build hype for the next one?
That's what I'm wondering. TLJ felt like a finale. There are no storylines that make me counting down the months until the next movie.
That's why I can't believe they didn't edit the ending to have Luke live. That would at least alleviate the Leia problem.
Its mindblowing. Still can't believe they screwed with Luke Skywalker like they did.
This post was edited on 6/14/18 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 6/14/18 at 2:28 pm to FairhopeTider
I for am kind of interested to see what direction it goes - I feel like it one of the main theme's will be Reys efforts to redeem Kylo - similar to Luke attempting to redeem anakin in Jedi. I for one am excited to see where they may go with the two main characters.
Also feel like the real "awakening" of the force may be prevalent, seeing more and more force sensitive children than we are used to (all based on the final scene of TLJ). I hope that is a large point at least.
Also feel like the real "awakening" of the force may be prevalent, seeing more and more force sensitive children than we are used to (all based on the final scene of TLJ). I hope that is a large point at least.
This post was edited on 6/14/18 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 6/14/18 at 2:37 pm to Sneaky__Sally
quote:The issue I have is that there is no mystery to what will happen in the end.
I for am kind of interested to see what direction it goes - I feel like it one of the main theme's will be Reys efforts to redeem Kylo - similar to Luke attempting to redeem anakin in Jedi. I for one am excited to see where they may go with the two main characters.
Rey can’t fail or face any trials in this one. She already beat Kylo twice and you can’t have the hero lose in the final movie.
Also, if she is attempting to turn Kylo back, will it just end after she does? There are no enemies for them to team up against. There really is no one left to fight.
Rey can’t fail and all of the enemies are dead or severely defeated.
If they do what you predicted, it would be the exact same as Rey and Kylo’s interactions in TLJ.
The 2nd movie is supposed to be the low point that allows for the build up and climax in the third.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 2:41 pm to ell_13
quote:well looks like you are correct.
He talks in generalities, then pretends he was being specific. He turns arguments into personal attacks deflecting from the original points. When he runs out of those, he simply says "wrong" or "no" without any explanation. Every post you make will have 4 downvotes and every one of his will have 4 upvotes immediately. That's why he's offline now. He's logging into each one. It's the most pathetic thing I've ever seen on TD.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 2:42 pm to OMLandshark
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Agreed. I have no doubt that Solo is better than TLJ. I'm willing to bet the only reason this film isn't a dumpster fire is because of him. This is nothing personal against him.
All of this.
Solo is honestly world's better then TLJ. The issue with Solo, as many have echoed here, is it's a movie that no one wanted. In that, it was huge misfire by the Mouse and Kathleen Kennedy.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 2:55 pm to Scruffy
Well the low point is how few remain of the Resistance/Rebellion. It's not a clean win.
For Rey/Kylo, they could go the route of the Force in constant overcorrection since it spawned Anakin. So it spawned Rey if she really is a nobody to return the Skywalker line back to itself.
They could have another bad guy wins trilogy.
I think a big disservice was not clearly setting up Republic and First Order strength.
So a resource starved eggs all in one basket FO in Awakens that immediately is recognized as the galactic power after being dealt a decisive blow in TLJ makes as much sense as the Nazis in Uber (a comic) still having reserves after the timeline played out much the same as ours.
For Rey/Kylo, they could go the route of the Force in constant overcorrection since it spawned Anakin. So it spawned Rey if she really is a nobody to return the Skywalker line back to itself.
They could have another bad guy wins trilogy.
I think a big disservice was not clearly setting up Republic and First Order strength.
So a resource starved eggs all in one basket FO in Awakens that immediately is recognized as the galactic power after being dealt a decisive blow in TLJ makes as much sense as the Nazis in Uber (a comic) still having reserves after the timeline played out much the same as ours.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 2:57 pm to Scruffy
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Also, if she is attempting to turn Kylo back, will it just end after she does? There are no enemies for them to team up against. There really is no one left to fight
There are rumors of Grand Admiral Thrawn coming back. If they don't go that route another possibility is going after the arms dealers based on those few scenes in TLJ.
ETA: They would have very similar interactions for sure, that was just kind of the feeling I got. They messed up the timing so bad in this trilogy.
The discovery of starkiller base and blowing it up all in the second half of the first film seems like a pointless rehash of ANH and a waste of time in the grand scheme of things.
Believe me, they messed up a ton of this sequel trilogy - starting with not having a single, cohesive vision for the trilogy. There is no way if they had a plan and Johnson came in with a script that fricked it all up they would have let it fly. I'm curious to see where it goes because I think they could do some interesting things, but I'm not expecting it to be a great movie or anything.
As I said halfway through the thread, Star Wars has so much potential as a universe and the movies outside of the original trilogy just haven't delivered (although I really liked Rogue One).
This post was edited on 6/14/18 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 6/14/18 at 3:01 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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another possibility is going after the arms dealers based on those few scenes in TLJ.
For the love of God.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 3:02 pm to Sneaky__Sally
quote:If you read about it, JJ had a plan.
Believe me, they messed up a ton of this sequel trilogy - starting with not having a single, cohesive vision for the trilogy. There is no way if they had a plan and Johnson came in with a script that fricked it all up they would have let it fly. I'm curious to see where it goes because I think they could do some interesting things, but I'm not expecting it to be a great movie or anything.
RJ purposely threw it all away.
quote:That would be very poor story telling, but they have no other choice. They have to pull a random villain out if their arse at this point.
There are rumors of Grand Admiral Thrawn coming back. If they don't go that route another possibility is going after the arms dealers based on those few scenes in TLJ.
This post was edited on 6/14/18 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 6/14/18 at 3:04 pm to Scruffy
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JJ had a plan.
RJ purposely threw it all away.
And the studio didn't give a shite.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 3:05 pm to Scruffy
thy should have never had multiple directors its an idiotic decision.
If someone has a plan, let him execute it. Its also total bullshite to hire someone in an artistic capacity and then try to tell them what to do. I don't think Johnson had any sort of obligation to follow through with Abrams plan.
I also don't know what Abrams plan was - it would be essentially just as stupid, for very different reason though, if it was just a rehash of the original trilogy, but maybe I just am just a TFA hater.
If someone has a plan, let him execute it. Its also total bullshite to hire someone in an artistic capacity and then try to tell them what to do. I don't think Johnson had any sort of obligation to follow through with Abrams plan.
I also don't know what Abrams plan was - it would be essentially just as stupid, for very different reason though, if it was just a rehash of the original trilogy, but maybe I just am just a TFA hater.
This post was edited on 6/14/18 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 6/14/18 at 3:06 pm to Sneaky__Sally
The OG trilogy had multiple directors.
The problem is not one clear vision.
The problem is not one clear vision.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 3:08 pm to LSU Coyote
the OT had George Lucas telling the story, very very different situation.
The first two sequel films have lots of problems, lack of a cohesive vision is just one of the major ones. Multiple directors would have been fine I guess - just whoever the frick is in charge of the actual story should have had a vision for each film and followed through on it.
The first two sequel films have lots of problems, lack of a cohesive vision is just one of the major ones. Multiple directors would have been fine I guess - just whoever the frick is in charge of the actual story should have had a vision for each film and followed through on it.
This post was edited on 6/14/18 at 3:10 pm
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