re: Long thoughts on the ending of Breaking Bad

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He does kind of move like a ghost through the finale. But if it was his fantastical vision how does he not get SOME closure with his son.

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if it is all in Walt's head, how does he know that Jesse is being chained up by the nazis? there are too many details that are accurate in the finale that prove it can't be a dream by walt.

If it was a dream I think he would have at least said something to Breakfast.

one of the things mentioned in both theories is that walt is surrounded by police. do they mean in that car?

bc i don't think that's correct at all. if you watch the scene again you can clearly see police lights in the back of the car's rear window slowly moving until they reflect off his glasses (like the car is in front of him now)

to me i interpreted this as a lone solitary squad car passing down the street starting behind walt's new found car and passing him by.

red and blue lights would've come from all directions if he were indeed surrounded.

not saying there isn't something to these theories. walt could've died in the car, or in the bar, or in his safe house and it could've been a dream or a fantasy. maybe if like the sopranos a dream sequence has been laid out before but i can't remember it happening in the show. would make it more believable.

i do like the part of it where it says everything went off without a hitch in finale and almost nothing walt does goes off flawlessly (drew sharp, all the stuff with crazy 8 and his partner bathtub falling through ceiling etc, bell taking several rings before exploding, RV not starting, destroying gus's laptop they had to leave the truck behind, etc).

however my argument against that is that walt gets shot by his own invention in finale. it's literally the thing that kills him.

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think he clearly is. First off, he doesn't kill the cartel, Gus does. Jesse has no knowledge what's about to go down. He also is relieved by their deaths because, well, they were going to make him their hostage or maybe even kill him. This is far closer to self-defense.

Jesse killed two people in the course of the show: Todd and Gale. He didn't even like Gale, and Gale

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from the Breaking Bad wiki:

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Gus and Mike take Jesse on a trip to Mexico in order to have him teach Walt's formula to the cartel's chemists. Impressed with Jesse's skill, Gus seemingly arranges to leave Jesse behind with the cartel. However, during a party, Gus uses a poisoned bottle of tequila to kill off the cartel's leadership, including Don Eladio Vuente ("Salud"). Jesse shoots and kills Joaquin Salamanca, who had just shot Mike. Jesse drives Gus and Mike away from the crime scene. Afterwards, Gus offers to hire Jesse as his full-time cook. Jesse accepts on the condition that Gus spare Walt's life

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So Jesse has killed on numerous occasions, only doesn't struggle with that killing. Even cops struggle with justifiable killings in the line if duty. Expressing nothing over that, IMO, shows that Jesse doesn't really have a problem with killing people, the murder of an innocent was the problem. His guilt over Gale was selfish, considering all the people Walt killed for him.

ETA: In addition to trying to murder Tuco. No guilt over that either.

Gus taunts Hector in the nursing home by telling him Jesse killed the last Salamanca, thereby ending their bloodline.

In S5 after Gus is dead, Jesse wonders out loud when the killing will stop. Walt tells him that since they now control things, there would be no more violence. Jesse disregards this, telling Walt he has made the same promise in the past and that is never the case.

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Part of why he went back was to kill Jesse for cooking (and perfecting) his recipe.

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did he really perfect it though?

i thoughts walt's cooks were 99% and iirc jesse was in the 96% range. i guess that was with the cartel though and not his normal setup.

i do remember now that badger and skinny pete said it's back and better than ever so...

Perfecting as a bad word. Even Walt hadn't "perfected" it.

Jesse cooked to such a degree that everyone on the street thought it was still Walt doing the cook. They noticed no difference. His pride could not handle that. Be letting Jesse go and dying by the lab, he will be assumed to have been the cook the whole time.

He is still the "Master Meth Cook" in everyone's mind.

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So Jesse has killed on numerous occasions, only doesn't struggle with that killing. Even cops struggle with justifiable killings in the line if duty. Expressing nothing over that, IMO, shows that Jesse doesn't really have a problem with killing people, the murder of an innocent was the problem. His guilt over Gale was selfish, considering all the people Walt killed for him.

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I totally forgot her killed one of the guys in Mexico, but even then... it's in defense of Mike, his father figure. It is complete self-defense. And, like I said, while I do not think he is a saint (he is a felon many times over), he is nowhere near the sociopath anyone else in the meth trade is. He is far less comfortable with death and unethical activity than any other character on the show.

And he is particularly haunted by the deaths of children. but he carries the death of Gale for the entire run of the show. No one else shows the kind of remorse Jesse does, not even Hank, who is a far more decent person as well, committing to actual goodness.

i think he's just saying that in that particular part of the series when gus plays walt and jessie against each other, mike and jesse kind of have a mentor/student thing going on.
and during that time he (jesse) shoots joquim.

so 2 out of the 3 people that jesse kills, he's basically protecting someone else.