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Posted on 8/27/17 at 6:05 pm to Duzz
Spqrtiger=old
Duzz=young
Fwiw I'm old too
Duzz=young
Fwiw I'm old too
Posted on 8/27/17 at 9:51 pm to udtiger
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That slow arse fighting make it seme like 1700 battleship fighting style.
Good. That's what they were going for.
Yes, with Moby Dick references
Posted on 8/28/17 at 8:57 am to TigerGman
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Yes, with Moby Dick references
They went to that well again for the other truly great Star Trek film - First Contact.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 9:15 am to Mizz-SEC
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The Wrath of Khan - Captain's Log
Thank you for that.
Typical Shatner. Wanted Spock to be behind opaque glass for the death scene, so the audience could only see Kirk.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 9:15 am to Ace Midnight
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Yes, with Moby Dick references
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They went to that well again for the other truly great Star Trek film - First Contact.
First Contact is always first on my list, followed by Wrath of Khan, then The Voyage Home (the one with the whales)
That scene with Patrick Stewart and Alfre Woodard (the line must be drawn here scene) is probably the finest scene in the entire Star Trek franchise.
This post was edited on 8/28/17 at 9:24 am
Posted on 8/28/17 at 9:18 am to USMCTiger03
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how much do you hate this movie?
It's hard to express how wonderful an experience this movie was after the overly cerebral Star Trek: The Motion Picture had put audiences to sleep. That, plus, we really thought that Spock was dead. Everyone knew that Nimoy was hesitant to continue with the character. He'd made a career of distancing himself from Spock. It was just an amazing movie experience.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 9:20 am to Duzz
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That was not suspsen that was boring, speed it up by 25% and it would have been good. That slow arse fighting make it seme like 1700 battleship fighting style.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 9:23 am to Fewer Kilometers
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It's hard to express how wonderful an experience this movie was after the overly cerebral Star Trek: The Motion Picture had put audiences to sleep.
I don't hate you for posting this and I absolutely understand this sentiment. But TMP is one of my favorite sci fi movies. It's the essence of Star Trek and what makes it unique. Exploration of the unknown. I get that it's not for everyone and don't begrudge anyone from thinking it's less than entertaining.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 9:30 am to GetCocky11
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That scene with Patrick Stewart and Alfre Woodard (the line must be drawn here scene) is probably the finest scene in the entire Star Trek franchise.
I remain partial to TWOK and the original cast for a whole variety of reasons, but the scene you reference here is the scene I would show someone to introduce the Star Trek universe - at least that universe outside the original series. It features 2 of the finest actors - from a pure ability level - to ever grace Star Trek.
Certainly from the films, I think it is likely the very best scene we're ever likely to get out of Star Trek and certainly the best from the TNG crew, period. I think TOS and DS9 have, perhaps, a handful of slightly better scenes, but not many.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 9:38 am to elprez00
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But TMP is one of my favorite sci fi movies.
Everyone knows I'm #TeamTOS, but I can't agree with this.
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It's the essence of Star Trek and what makes it unique.
This is true - to an extent. Problem was, they were working off what was effectively a 1 hour episode script and puffed it out to feature length. It essentially combines elements of three TOS episodes: The Changeling, The Lights of Zetar and The Corbomite Maneuver (ETA: And also perhaps Doomsday Machine - as an added homage, the original captain of the ship, before Kirk undercut him, played the son of the guest character in that TOS episode).
There is nothing wrong with this technique, as TWOK, like I said, is certainly the best Trek film and may even be the best science fiction film, ever, and it combined Space Seed and Balance of Terror (perhaps a little Ultimate Computer and/or Doomsday Machine?) to great effect.
But TMP got lost in its own beauty - the budget spent on visual effects meant they were going to use the crap out of those effects, come hell or high water. And, somewhat foreshadowing today's overreliance on CGI, they overused those beautiful (and largely practical) effects, IMHO. This impeded storytelling for the film.
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Posted on 8/28/17 at 9:39 am to elprez00
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TMP is one of my favorite sci fi movies. It's the essence of Star Trek and what makes it unique. Exploration of the unknown.
Yes, but what made the original series so great was that it had that essence of intellectual exploration mixed with rousing fist fights and occasional humor. ST:TMP took an important portion of the Star Trek recipe and made it the entire film. I really enjoyed it for what it was, but it wasn't the original series. Wrath of Khan and The Voyage Home were the episodes that brought the correct original series mix to the screen.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 9:42 am to USMCTiger03
Before I forget - I LOVE this thread.
(Nobody will be talking about the Abrams' films in 30 or 40 years, just for the record. Certainly not positively, outside of box office receipts.)
(Nobody will be talking about the Abrams' films in 30 or 40 years, just for the record. Certainly not positively, outside of box office receipts.)
Posted on 8/28/17 at 9:46 am to Ace Midnight
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(Nobody will be talking about the Abrams' films in 30 or 40 years, just for the record. Certainly not positively, outside of box office receipts.)
Agreed. While decent popcorn flicks, the new Star Trek films are absolute crap in comparison to the stuff that came before.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 9:49 am to Ace Midnight
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Ace Midnight
I think I remember you saying you had the Star Wars despecialized versions.
Do you have the widescreen version originaltrilogy.com did of The Special Longer Version of TMP?
It's the version I grew up with and I can't watch one of the others without noticing the changes and differences. I have not yet downloaded it, but I intend to.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 10:04 am to Master of Sinanju
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I think I remember you saying you had the Star Wars despecialized versions.
I do. I would nominate Harmy for a Nobel Peace Prize, but that would actually tarnish the value of the work he did.
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Do you have the widescreen version originaltrilogy.com did of The Special Longer Version of TMP?
I do not. What ends up happening with me and Trek films - I watch the "trilogy" - TWOK, TSS and TVH, I watch First Contact - and generally that's it. The others really don't get much rewatch - although occasionally I watch TFF for a laugh or TUC as a stand alone film. I was never crazy about Generations, Insurrection or Nemesis. I'm almost never in the mood to watch TMP, although I've been known to watch it if it's already on.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 10:10 am to Ace Midnight
Ace you and I have this debate every time these threads come up. 
Kahn is a fantastic movie and a great villain. The slow build and the cerebral battle is just absolutely wonderful.
And you have to put TMP in perspective. Roddenberry straight up said they were going to make the anti-Star Wars, and they did.
FWIW, The Undiscovered Country is probably my second or third favorite of the series behind Kahn and First Contact. Its a great popcorn flick and the WhoDoneIt is really entertaining
Kahn is a fantastic movie and a great villain. The slow build and the cerebral battle is just absolutely wonderful.
And you have to put TMP in perspective. Roddenberry straight up said they were going to make the anti-Star Wars, and they did.
FWIW, The Undiscovered Country is probably my second or third favorite of the series behind Kahn and First Contact. Its a great popcorn flick and the WhoDoneIt is really entertaining
Posted on 8/28/17 at 10:14 am to elprez00
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And you have to put TMP in perspective. Roddenberry straight up said they were going to make the anti-Star Wars, and they did.
No - I get it. But most rational people admit they just wasted too much time in the cloud. Kind of like Immunity Syndrome, but for about an hour of just slugging through the cloud.
I like TMP better as I get older, but the die has been cast for it, I suppose.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 10:39 am to Ace Midnight
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I was never crazy about Generations, Insurrection or Nemesis.
Generations was a very disappointing film, and Insurrection was a tremendous let down after First Contact.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 11:01 am to Bankshot
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Generations was a very disappointing film
Seeing Kirk and Picard on screen together made that film worth it.
The destruction of the Enterprise was disappointing. Not the fact that they destroyed the ship, but I didn't like how they destroyed it.
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