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I'm done with The Big Bang Theory
Posted on 10/1/14 at 11:45 am
Posted on 10/1/14 at 11:45 am
Have been a fan and avid watcher since shortly after it debuted, and I'm officially out. No particular reason other than I'm tired of the same old shtick and rehashed plots over and over again. How many times are they going to go to the well of "Penny ask Leonard a question about [insert personal issue/topic] and he's too honest and she gets mad at his answer but later he lies and says he's supportive so she won't be mad anymore" for a story line?
Plus, I find all of the characters -- save for Sheldon, oddly enough -- extremely unlikable. Leonard is the epitome of a beta, Penny is a self-centered tPOS who openly talks about how Leonard is obsessed with her (what a great foundation for a relationship), Amy is downright pathetic, Wolowitz is a wimpy weakling and Simon Helberg is terrible at acting, they've turned Bernadette in a raging B, and I've never liked the Raj character.
I know it's arguably the main premise, but the show is much worse when Leonard and Penny are together, and the Sheldon and Amy thing is waaaaaay played out (we get it, they have a weird "relationship" and agreements and all that -- wacky!). The show was better when Leonard and Penny were a new couple and both were trying to navigate each other's world, or when they weren't together at all. Plus, I actually thought the Wolowitz character was funny when he was just a creepy single guy, but he's been neutered, and like I said earlier, Helberg just can't act.
I've defended the show for years against people who call it a ripoff of Friends, but that's exactly what it is now -- 3 guy friends dating 3 girl friends with a 7th wheel added in Raj.
Love the show from start until around the early to middle of last season, but it's pretty much run its course for me.
Plus, I find all of the characters -- save for Sheldon, oddly enough -- extremely unlikable. Leonard is the epitome of a beta, Penny is a self-centered tPOS who openly talks about how Leonard is obsessed with her (what a great foundation for a relationship), Amy is downright pathetic, Wolowitz is a wimpy weakling and Simon Helberg is terrible at acting, they've turned Bernadette in a raging B, and I've never liked the Raj character.
I know it's arguably the main premise, but the show is much worse when Leonard and Penny are together, and the Sheldon and Amy thing is waaaaaay played out (we get it, they have a weird "relationship" and agreements and all that -- wacky!). The show was better when Leonard and Penny were a new couple and both were trying to navigate each other's world, or when they weren't together at all. Plus, I actually thought the Wolowitz character was funny when he was just a creepy single guy, but he's been neutered, and like I said earlier, Helberg just can't act.
I've defended the show for years against people who call it a ripoff of Friends, but that's exactly what it is now -- 3 guy friends dating 3 girl friends with a 7th wheel added in Raj.
Love the show from start until around the early to middle of last season, but it's pretty much run its course for me.
This post was edited on 10/1/14 at 11:50 am
Posted on 10/1/14 at 11:47 am to Feral
The three episodes of this season haven't really been good, and I think I am getting tired of it too. There needs to be some change .
we need shake-ups. Stewart boning Mama Walowitz is a start.
we need shake-ups. Stewart boning Mama Walowitz is a start.
This post was edited on 10/1/14 at 11:49 am
Posted on 10/1/14 at 11:49 am to Feral
This show has been terrible from inception.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 11:56 am to BlackleafBaller
as a comic book reading, engineer that is severely socially awkward, I boycott this show. I don't need to be made of more than I already am.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 12:01 pm to Feral
the show has been in severe decline the pasts few seasons but this season so far is excruciatingly terrible. I will probably still watch but it's getting bad
Posted on 10/1/14 at 12:08 pm to Feral
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I'm done with The Big Bang Theory
It quit on you first.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 12:10 pm to Fearthehat0307
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the show has been in severe decline the pasts few seasons but this season so far is excruciatingly terrible. I will probably still watch but it's getting bad
Yeah, they really need to stop this incessant use of the same plot where Penny is at some sort of crossroads and asks Leonard for advice or feedback and he's (rightfully) honest, but she can't handle that so she gets mad, but instead of having some sort of sit-down he just blindly apologizes or shallowly takes back what he said and feigns support or belief in her goal or ambition and current state. It's terrible, not entertaining, and it seems they've plugged it into the last six or seven straight episodes. It's always about whether she should quit her job, or whether she should give up on her dream of being an actress, or whether she's a failure, or whether they're right for each other.
Plus, like I said above, the Sheldon-Amy "relationship" is so played out that it's almost a running joke between me and my wife. Oooh, they have a bimonthly date night per an agreement and it has stipulations and everything. Stop it.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 12:18 pm to Napoleon
The storylines are getting stale and adding the two girls has turned it into Friends almost
The Sheldon Amy relationship has run its course
The Sheldon Amy relationship has run its course
Posted on 10/1/14 at 12:24 pm to Feral
Penny cuts her hair and look what happens
Posted on 10/1/14 at 12:27 pm to Feral
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Yeah, they really need to stop this incessant use of the same plot where Penny is at some sort of crossroads and asks Leonard for advice or feedback and he's (rightfully) honest, but she can't handle that so she gets mad, but instead of having some sort of sit-down he just blindly apologizes or shallowly takes back what he said and feigns support or belief in her goal or ambition and current state. It's terrible, not entertaining, and it seems they've plugged it into the last six or seven straight episodes. It's always about whether she should quit her job, or whether she should give up on her dream of being an actress, or whether she's a failure, or whether they're right for each other.
Plus, like I said above, the Sheldon-Amy "relationship" is so played out that it's almost a running joke between me and my wife. Oooh, they have a bimonthly date night per an agreement and it has stipulations and everything. Stop it.
Agreed.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 12:28 pm to BlackleafBaller
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This show has been terrible from inception.
Aside from Sheldon, none of the characters are note-worthy. The same pretense and structure is used for nearly every joke.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 1:40 pm to BlackleafBaller
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This show has been terrible from inception.
Agreed. This show fricking sucks.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 1:42 pm to BlackleafBaller
Really loved the first 3 seasons. Was done after season 4.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 1:42 pm to Feral
I agree the earlier episodes are still funny, but the new ones suck. The characters don't match up with what they've turned into. Sheldon is the only one I still like and Amy is slowly killing his character. Leonard just turned into a bitch, it was better when he just tried really hard to get with Penny
Posted on 10/1/14 at 1:49 pm to Feral
The Big Bang Theory isn't a show about nerds for nerds. It's a show about nerds for normal people. During the same period that the show really took off (late second/early third season) they started to A: downplay Penny's dumbness and B: make the guys more and more awkward/socially incompetent. Where it started out being about shy, gawky guys finding love, now it's about hopeless basement dwellers somehow stumbling into relationships.
This is best exemplified by Leonard and Penny's relationship. At the beginning of the show, it's a relationship between a shy/nice guy who is a semi-genius and an outgoing/fun girl who's really not very smart. It's very two sided, both characters give and take. As the series progresses, note that (afaik) the only time an issue is instigated by Leonard, it's tangentially related to reality and relies more on Penny misconstruing something than anything else. Leonard has effectively become a pop up nerd. We aren't supposed to sympathize with him. It's not a story of him getting the girl, it's a story of him somehow getting the girl who is way out of his league (despite the fact that she's a fricking cocktail waitress and kind of huge bitch). We don't laugh and cry with Leonard.
For that matter, we don't laugh with *any* of the show's titular nerds. We're instead supposed to laugh *at* them, these bumbling, pathetic geeks trying to be like normal people. Imagine, the nerve of them. A female equivalent-Amy-to these personality-deficient comedic automatons is even thrown into the mix so as to provide a character the producers can point out as an example of how sexist they aren't.
And on that note, on to my next issue with the show-the blatant sexism. Although Leonard eventually somehow manages to actually land a pretty girl (amazing, isn't it?) he first has to go through ~2 seasons worth of being made to feel like a lesser man by dumb, muscular assholes. A few episodes or even half a season of this trend could have served as a backdrop to a dramatic rejection by Leonard and the gang of societal expectations in regards to gender roles and assumed requirements for men. Instead, we're treated to something like 30-40 episodes of this junk, up to a point where Leonard is finally deemed a valid mate for Penny (right as he's contemplating a daring, oh so **manly** trip to Antarctica). There's significant symbolism in the fact that, upon his return, he has grown a thick beard (supposedly to brave the cold more easily, but let's not forget how beards have long been perceived a sign of masculinity and adulthood).
As Leonard has finally seemed to find happiness, at least for the moment, we now of course must find the other nerds women they can dupe into falling for them! I'm not sure if the producers/writers of TBBT are actually this lazy or they thought it would boost ratings, but naturally the solution to the lack of prospective women in the nerds' lives is to carbon-copy two of the three remaining single geeks-Howard and Sheldon-and produce women specially suited to be with them, because god forbid normal women find nerds attractive-look how long it took Penny!
**Bernadette:** Bernadette's backstory, first of all, is pretty bad. The fact that a brilliant microbiologist is somehow managing to pay for grad school by working the Cheesecake Factory, at what we can assume is a very competitive university, is kind of odd. Why wouldn't she just take teaching hours or assist Professors, as most grad students do? Well, how else would we be able to shoddily write her in as Penny's friend (despite the fact that Penny has displayed a serious strain of anti-intellectualism) and still have her be smart? Anyway, Bernadette is actually the only one of the three leading women in this show who isn't awfully done in regards to sexual discrimination. She's reasonably strong. However, we realize that she **has** to be strong to put up with wimpy little Howard.
**Howard:** where to start? You've got all the great nerd stereotypes-still living with his mother, chronic masturbator, creep towards women. Howard, in the first few seasons, exists solely to creep out Penny-reminding us that she is a sexual object to be put on a pedestal-and so that we can make fun of his supposed gay relationship with Raj. I mean, god forbid two adult men develop an intimate relationship, right? No, instead the various characters on the show manage to squeeze in at least one homophobic joke per episode about Howard and Raj, even after Howard gets goddamn married. Would Howard have undergone so much teasing if he'd had an intimate friendship with an Indian woman named Ranjeeta? Would Raj, with a Jewish woman named Helga?
This is best exemplified by Leonard and Penny's relationship. At the beginning of the show, it's a relationship between a shy/nice guy who is a semi-genius and an outgoing/fun girl who's really not very smart. It's very two sided, both characters give and take. As the series progresses, note that (afaik) the only time an issue is instigated by Leonard, it's tangentially related to reality and relies more on Penny misconstruing something than anything else. Leonard has effectively become a pop up nerd. We aren't supposed to sympathize with him. It's not a story of him getting the girl, it's a story of him somehow getting the girl who is way out of his league (despite the fact that she's a fricking cocktail waitress and kind of huge bitch). We don't laugh and cry with Leonard.
For that matter, we don't laugh with *any* of the show's titular nerds. We're instead supposed to laugh *at* them, these bumbling, pathetic geeks trying to be like normal people. Imagine, the nerve of them. A female equivalent-Amy-to these personality-deficient comedic automatons is even thrown into the mix so as to provide a character the producers can point out as an example of how sexist they aren't.
And on that note, on to my next issue with the show-the blatant sexism. Although Leonard eventually somehow manages to actually land a pretty girl (amazing, isn't it?) he first has to go through ~2 seasons worth of being made to feel like a lesser man by dumb, muscular assholes. A few episodes or even half a season of this trend could have served as a backdrop to a dramatic rejection by Leonard and the gang of societal expectations in regards to gender roles and assumed requirements for men. Instead, we're treated to something like 30-40 episodes of this junk, up to a point where Leonard is finally deemed a valid mate for Penny (right as he's contemplating a daring, oh so **manly** trip to Antarctica). There's significant symbolism in the fact that, upon his return, he has grown a thick beard (supposedly to brave the cold more easily, but let's not forget how beards have long been perceived a sign of masculinity and adulthood).
As Leonard has finally seemed to find happiness, at least for the moment, we now of course must find the other nerds women they can dupe into falling for them! I'm not sure if the producers/writers of TBBT are actually this lazy or they thought it would boost ratings, but naturally the solution to the lack of prospective women in the nerds' lives is to carbon-copy two of the three remaining single geeks-Howard and Sheldon-and produce women specially suited to be with them, because god forbid normal women find nerds attractive-look how long it took Penny!
**Bernadette:** Bernadette's backstory, first of all, is pretty bad. The fact that a brilliant microbiologist is somehow managing to pay for grad school by working the Cheesecake Factory, at what we can assume is a very competitive university, is kind of odd. Why wouldn't she just take teaching hours or assist Professors, as most grad students do? Well, how else would we be able to shoddily write her in as Penny's friend (despite the fact that Penny has displayed a serious strain of anti-intellectualism) and still have her be smart? Anyway, Bernadette is actually the only one of the three leading women in this show who isn't awfully done in regards to sexual discrimination. She's reasonably strong. However, we realize that she **has** to be strong to put up with wimpy little Howard.
**Howard:** where to start? You've got all the great nerd stereotypes-still living with his mother, chronic masturbator, creep towards women. Howard, in the first few seasons, exists solely to creep out Penny-reminding us that she is a sexual object to be put on a pedestal-and so that we can make fun of his supposed gay relationship with Raj. I mean, god forbid two adult men develop an intimate relationship, right? No, instead the various characters on the show manage to squeeze in at least one homophobic joke per episode about Howard and Raj, even after Howard gets goddamn married. Would Howard have undergone so much teasing if he'd had an intimate friendship with an Indian woman named Ranjeeta? Would Raj, with a Jewish woman named Helga?
Posted on 10/1/14 at 1:51 pm to ZacAttack
It's really weird how the writers have just made the male characters erode simply by putting them into the relationship dynamic. Leonard was better when he was either single or had no chance with Penny and was striking out with other girls, Sheldon was better when he was just a cyborg genius weirdo, and Howard was better when he was a creepy single guy. Raj has always been useless -- he's the A.J. Soprano of TBBT.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 1:56 pm to Feral
Just out of curiosity how is this show so highly rated and one of the most watched (I think it was #1 recently) on tv and receive bad reviews from yall? A whole lot of people on here bash it, but also support other great series that are highly rated. So what gives?
Posted on 10/1/14 at 1:57 pm to Feral
[quote]I'm done with this thread[/quote
fify
fify
Posted on 10/1/14 at 2:07 pm to Feral
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No particular reason
Yes there is, there's too many dudes on the show now.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 2:13 pm to Feral
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It's really weird how the writers have just made the male characters erode simply by putting them into the relationship dynamic. Leonard was better when he was either single or had no chance with Penny and was striking out with other girls, Sheldon was better when he was just a cyborg genius weirdo, and Howard was better when he was a creepy single guy. Raj has always been useless -- he's the A.J. Soprano of TBBT.
All of the male characters have been neutered by their relationships, willfully it appears. Not really a positive message to put out there, surrender who you are just so you can hook up with women.
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