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re: I know I’m 15 years late finishing The Wire, but... (Omar discussion)
Posted on 8/30/22 at 8:49 am to StringedInstruments
Posted on 8/30/22 at 8:49 am to StringedInstruments
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He was flabbergasted and disgusted that Marlo didn’t honor Sunday as the day off. Once he was injured, he tried to play Marlo’s game and the limp showed how Omar was hindered, diminished without the code
This was Avon that didn’t respect the Sunday Truce. He was chasing down Marlo And calling him out because Marlo had Butchie tortured and killed.
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Posted on 8/30/22 at 9:15 am to H-Town Tiger
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No it was Stringer, Avon even questions him about it and says it’s something you just don’t do.
Correct
Stringer is at a meeting, gets the call from his lackey that says they see Omar and his grandmother getting into a car. Stringer contemplated it for a second, says do it, and hangs up the phone
Posted on 8/30/22 at 9:38 am to StringedInstruments
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Omar lived by the code and believed everyone else should too. He’s very much the guy that grows old, says “back in my day,” and tells kids to get off his lawn.
He was flabbergasted and disgusted that Marlo didn’t honor Sunday as the day off. Once he was injured, he tried to play Marlo’s game and the limp showed how Omar was hindered, diminished without the code.
The random kid killing Omar solidified that there was no code. It was a tragic death. Omar was just another nobody and they were involved in unbridled crime. His death was part of no code, no honor. Everything he stood for was fantasized by him.
That's well-put. This is what I always post about Omar's death in Wire threads:
The randomness of Kenard shooting him is exactly the point...it can be anybody at any time, and sometimes you won't even remotely see it coming. And to top that off, no matter how "dominant" in the game you think you are, eventually there will be someone who isn't scared of you...notice right before Omar got got, all the kids ran off except for Kenard, who kills him a couple minutes later.
Being randomly shot at the store by some random kid is exactly the "senseless act of violence" that would and should kill someone like Omar.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:19 am to CocomoLSU
Lots of great observations in this thread. Will add, in TV/Movies a character like Omar is often given a dignified, if no heroic death scene. But we all know in real life that never happens, its way more likely to happen the way The Wire portrayed it.
Another great example is Dee being killed in prison. In the same episode they show him coming to terms with where he is and what he has done. In the romanticized version Dee does his time, becomes a jailhouse sage and mentor, reconciles with Avon, and eventually gets out a changed man. But thats not The Wire.
Another great example is Dee being killed in prison. In the same episode they show him coming to terms with where he is and what he has done. In the romanticized version Dee does his time, becomes a jailhouse sage and mentor, reconciles with Avon, and eventually gets out a changed man. But thats not The Wire.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:26 am to CocomoLSU
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Kenard
Even before he shot Omar I had no doubt Kenard was going to grow up to murder some hard-working citizen in a robbery gone wrong.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:39 am to CocomoLSU
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Being randomly shot at the store by some random kid
I did a rewatch in June and Kenard is more involved than I realized the first couple of watches. He’s a straight corner kid. He works your boy Namond’s corner, agrees to hold the package then steals it, claiming the cops got it, because he basically knows Namond can’t/won’t do anything because he’s a pussy (sorry to run down your boy, I know how much you love Namond
). Michael beats his arse but he ends up working for Michael. He’s the one that asks Presbo if he wants drugs when Presbo is checking on Dukie in the S4 montage (btw S4 is the best montage song). He’s more than a random kid, he’s in the game probably destined to run his own corner maybe be someone’s muscle because he doesn’t take shite from anyone and as you noted does not run when Omar walks thru like the other kidsThis post was edited on 8/30/22 at 10:42 am
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:48 am to H-Town Tiger
Yep, Kenard is one of those kids who is doomed almost from birth, short of some amazing intervention. I don't think we ever see him in school and/or with any family. He is a kid that is literally raised by the street and never develops anything resembling respect for authority, and maybe worse, empathy. By the time he is pre-teen he likely dealing with mental illness in some form, probably with the brain development of a 5 or 6 year old.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:11 am to nugget
Why have a spoiler in the subject line? I realize the show is older, but you and several others haven't seen it.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:45 pm to H-Town Tiger
You right but I was in general talking about the Barksdale organization, but yeah it was Stringer who gave the ok.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:48 pm to rebelrouser
This was probably my first movie/tv board post in the nearly 15 years I’ve been here. My apologies, I don’t know the etiquette
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:49 pm to nugget
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do like how, at the very end, Michael is kind of taking the reins as the new Omar, but it just doesn’t seem like the right ending for one of the best characters I’ve ever seen on TV.
Small choices like this are what make the show feel more authentic. People don’t usually get a grand send off when they go in that world. It goes in a blur and leaves you confused.
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Why, after he jumped from the 5th floor balcony, did he completely abandon his entire character they built up for so long? He was principled and meticulous, and then just completely changed.
All dogs get old. The next generation was coming up, eventually that reckoning was coming. That should highlight how thin the margins are out on those streets. Slip up once and that could be it
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:36 pm to topcat88
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You right but I was in general talking about the Barksdale organization, but yeah it was Stringer who gave the ok.
The disagreement between Stringer and Avon over the direction they wanted to go was a major plot point that season. Breaking the Sunday truce was one of several mistakes Stringer made that had Avon questioning Stringer and his role.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:36 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I know how much you love Namond
Posted on 8/30/22 at 3:16 pm to H-Town Tiger
LINK
Yeah it was a mistake but there rift stemmed from Stringer not dedicated to the game and wanting to go legit.
Yeah it was a mistake but there rift stemmed from Stringer not dedicated to the game and wanting to go legit.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 4:01 pm to topcat88
Yes, one of my favorite things in the wire is seeing the contrasts Stringer wanted desperately to be where Marlo was at the end. To be seen as a legitimate business man making deals. Marlo of course has no interest in that, he like Avon only aspires to “wear the crown” so his name can ring out on “some ghetto street corner” as Stringer put it. But it’s Omar’s name instead that is ringing out on the corner when Marlo comes upon some guys and takes the corner. Those guys don’t even know who Marlo is.
This post was edited on 8/31/22 at 2:38 am
Posted on 8/30/22 at 4:33 pm to nugget
In one scene, Omar is on a crutch and limps up to Michael, Kenard and some other corner boys looking for Marlo.
After he leaves, Kenard says something like that’s Omar, he gimpy than a motherfricker. It was like any fear or reverence he had for Omar was immediately gone when he limped off.
After he leaves, Kenard says something like that’s Omar, he gimpy than a motherfricker. It was like any fear or reverence he had for Omar was immediately gone when he limped off.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 5:35 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Yes, one of my favorite things in the wire is seeing the contrasts Stringer wanted desperately to be where Marlo was at the end. To be seen as a legitimate business man making deals. Marlo of course has no interest in that, he like Avon only aspires to “wear the crown” so his name can ring out on “some ghetto street corner” as Stringer put it. But it’s Omar’s name instead that is ringing out when Marlo comes upon them and takes the corner. Those guys don’t even know he Marlo is.
Well stated. I though of it this way...Stringer wanted what Marlo ended up with...full legitimacy as a businessman, but couldn't walk away from the streets to stay there. Marlo wanted what Stringer had...sitting at the head of the table (co-op) with the crown, but also couldn't walk away from the streets to stay there.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 6:12 pm to nugget
Omar was blinded with rage after Marlo tortured and murdered Butchie.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:13 am to NOLALGD
Man some really great discussion here. The wire should be required watch to even be able to comment on crime on the ot and pt lol.
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