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re: I just finished Battlestar Galactica. (Spoilers Within)
Posted on 3/3/11 at 5:24 pm to TigerMyth36
Posted on 3/3/11 at 5:24 pm to TigerMyth36
Well, mupps, has it sunk in. I too felt kind of numb at first.
Being an SG1 fan, this is one thing that bothered me at times during the series. THEY ARE MACHINES. Like the replicators, as long as the resources are available, they should be a 24 hr production factor of ships, centurions, clones, etc. That was the scariest part of the replicators.
Meh. didn't bother me. I was more surprised by their splitting up and diluting their bloodline. Full thoughts are on the bottom of the first page.
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They cylons had their own PLANET. The idea that they would never be able to resurrect again is also hogwash as they ship was used for cylons too far to resurrect on the home world.
Being an SG1 fan, this is one thing that bothered me at times during the series. THEY ARE MACHINES. Like the replicators, as long as the resources are available, they should be a 24 hr production factor of ships, centurions, clones, etc. That was the scariest part of the replicators.
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I loved the show up until the final episode. I just don't buy for a second that everyone would choose to abandon technology especially considering their last attempt to stay on a planet.
Meh. didn't bother me. I was more surprised by their splitting up and diluting their bloodline. Full thoughts are on the bottom of the first page.
This post was edited on 3/3/11 at 6:18 pm
Posted on 3/3/11 at 5:47 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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Meh. didn't bother me. I was more surprised by their splitting up and diluting their bloodline. Full thoughts are on the bottom of the first page.
Then you aren't using a shred of logic. These people already spent time on a prison planet because they stranded themselves.
The whole abandoning tech to hide is also nonsense as the cylons would search any planet that had life sustaining properties.
As a SG watcher like you, I too thought of the replicators and the fact one surviving cylon would be able to repopulate.
It wasn't until I rewatched the resurrection ship episode that I confirmed what I thought. There is a resurrection plant on the cylon home planet. 6 pretty much said the ship was for cylons that died too far from the home planet.
So it was sheer madness for the humans to just stop on the planet. Especially after destroying so many cylons. They stranded themselves after seriously pissing the cylons off.
Just makes no sense.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 6:02 pm to TigerMyth36
^^Should have been 24hr production plant
Here is my take/ reconciliation on the "home planet" cylons you are referring to.
I think they said Cavill moved the home base, which was the colony ship. They sent a scout raptor to the home planet, and nothing was there. Therefore, I believe the home planet resurrection capability was contained on the "colony" ship, even though I am not sure that 100% jives with Cavill's need for resurrection technology.
Did they really do it to hide? I thought it was done to start over.
Even if other cylons were going to hunt them down, they had no way to fight back. Galatica's back was broke. They assumed that Cavill was dead, and that the centurions were not going to come looking for them. Even if they did come looking, what was going to be their defense plan? If there were other resurrection threats, I am sure the 5... or Ellen would have informed them.
Here is my take/ reconciliation on the "home planet" cylons you are referring to.
I think they said Cavill moved the home base, which was the colony ship. They sent a scout raptor to the home planet, and nothing was there. Therefore, I believe the home planet resurrection capability was contained on the "colony" ship, even though I am not sure that 100% jives with Cavill's need for resurrection technology.
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The whole abandoning tech to hide is also nonsense as the cylons would search any planet that had life sustaining properties.
Did they really do it to hide? I thought it was done to start over.
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Then you aren't using a shred of logic. These people already spent time on a prison planet because they stranded themselves.
Even if other cylons were going to hunt them down, they had no way to fight back. Galatica's back was broke. They assumed that Cavill was dead, and that the centurions were not going to come looking for them. Even if they did come looking, what was going to be their defense plan? If there were other resurrection threats, I am sure the 5... or Ellen would have informed them.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 6:06 pm to Fletch F Fletch
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I finished BSG last night, and though I was ok with just about everything, no one has really complained about the Starbuck resolution, which really wasn't a resolution. That part left me wanting.
Yes. This is the biggest complaint for me. WTF is up with her?
Posted on 3/3/11 at 6:08 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
From the resurrection ship episode it is CLEAR, that there is resurrection capability on the home planet.
Also shouldn't they be able to rebuild it themselves.
The whole idea that the creators made everything is hinky to me given that the original cylon war was fought with the old centurion style cylons.
They must have had the ability to create and improve.
Also it was made pretty clear that there were cylons on probably all of the human home worlds experimenting on the survivors. I doubt Kara escaping ended their experimentation.
You are just never going to convince me that the cylons just gave up. And I could see some Human giving up and choosing to be stranded but not all.
As I said, it simply came too soon after the whole prison planet ordeal.
Also shouldn't they be able to rebuild it themselves.
The whole idea that the creators made everything is hinky to me given that the original cylon war was fought with the old centurion style cylons.
They must have had the ability to create and improve.
Also it was made pretty clear that there were cylons on probably all of the human home worlds experimenting on the survivors. I doubt Kara escaping ended their experimentation.
You are just never going to convince me that the cylons just gave up. And I could see some Human giving up and choosing to be stranded but not all.
As I said, it simply came too soon after the whole prison planet ordeal.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 6:29 pm to TigerMyth36
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Also shouldn't they be able to rebuild it themselves.
The whole idea that the creators made everything is hinky to me given that the original cylon war was fought with the old centurion style cylons.
I guess the explanation is that it is really just too complex of tech, and it took all five of them to do it.
The timeline of their universe is kind of weird. I would like to see a flowchart/ inception/ primer style mapping of it....
The 5 came form the original 13, made it to Caprica after a long arse journey, created the 8 human cylons, SO where do the "old" looking model (technically new model) caprican created cylons play into the mix? If you think about it, the cylons the BSG crew are fighting the entire series are actually from and or spawned by the 13th tribes cylons. They only fought their own cylons in the first war.
I don't know, man. They had to wrap it up some how, and they way they chose didn't bother me that much. Yeah, you have to make some leaps, but again, what were they going to do with Galatica in shambles. They essentially gave up on the fight.
How would you have ended it? Again, I probably would have gone screen black, or maybe white, after the shot showing them crossing over the moon and left it up to the viewer to decide. Which, would have likely had more fallout than the current finale.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 8:52 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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They essentially gave up on the fight.
Interesting way to look at it.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 10:12 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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How would you have ended it?
If I could answer this I would be in Hollywood with icecreampaintjob banging 11s while cruising in my Lamb.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 10:38 pm to TigerMyth36
not reading the thread b/c of the spoilers but damn this is a great show. I'm about halfway through season one and I never expected this show to be nearly this good.
steaming Netflix ftw. never would have watched this show otherwise. this and blue mountain state are just fricking great.
steaming Netflix ftw. never would have watched this show otherwise. this and blue mountain state are just fricking great.
Posted on 5/7/11 at 3:05 pm to drexyl
SPOILERS
I just finished watching the finale, and I really hate where this show went. The Bob Dylan song, Kara being magic or a ghost, Gaius and Six also being magic. Such promise to fall off so drastically. There were still very good episodes in the later seasons, and the character development was superb. But it was a lot better in the earlier seasons before they introduced such a strong religious element
I just finished watching the finale, and I really hate where this show went. The Bob Dylan song, Kara being magic or a ghost, Gaius and Six also being magic. Such promise to fall off so drastically. There were still very good episodes in the later seasons, and the character development was superb. But it was a lot better in the earlier seasons before they introduced such a strong religious element
Posted on 5/7/11 at 3:16 pm to TulaneTigerFan
I thought the show really fell out during the Gaius trial (weren't their budget issues? Makes sense since it didn't require any CGI) and I didn't like the magic shite, either. The first two seasons were so good, though, and it still had some redeeming qualities when it fell off. The episodes where the Cylons attacked every half hour (?) and the planetary rescue when Galactica jumps into the atmosphere were some of the best things ever put on television.
Posted on 5/7/11 at 3:34 pm to TulaneTigerFan
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Kara being magic or a ghost,
Angel
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Gaius and Six also being magic
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introduced such a strong religious element
Had been there from season 1, and was one of the strongest parts of the series imo. Moore looked for a way to combine science and religion and although he hit some pitfalls, it was admirable.
Posted on 5/7/11 at 4:30 pm to Freauxzen
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Angel
I know. My comment was sarcastic as I think the angel thing was ridiculous.
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The final shot of the series. Again slightly sarcastic, as I guess those were supposed to be angels who had been personified as Gaius and Six rather than the actual people/cylons.
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Had been there from season 1
True, but it wasn't as prevalent. I didn't care for the mystical visions/dreams, angels, magical Bob Dylan songs leading the way to earth, etc.
This post was edited on 5/7/11 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 5/7/11 at 4:31 pm to THRILLHO
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THRILLHO
I'm glad someone agrees with me, as most of the people here seem to love this show. Don't get me wrong; I still really liked it. I'm just a little disappointed after how strong it started.
Posted on 5/7/11 at 5:54 pm to TulaneTigerFan
it's been a while so the details are a bit fuzzy for m at this point, but......
I HATED the ending - the whole angel/religious/metaphysical angle was a complete and total slap in the face to every episode that preceded it. My contention is that if you're going to develop a sci-fi story line over 5, 6 seasons - that the mix of science and existential beings had better be introduced well before the last 2 episodes.
and spare me the schpill about how they spoke about the 12 gods of Cobol and the manifestations of the blonde cylon and Gaius in their counterparts' heads. It does not in any way bring the story full-circle. If you start with robots and spaceships - dammit, you fricking finish with robots and spaceships
I HATED the ending - the whole angel/religious/metaphysical angle was a complete and total slap in the face to every episode that preceded it. My contention is that if you're going to develop a sci-fi story line over 5, 6 seasons - that the mix of science and existential beings had better be introduced well before the last 2 episodes.
and spare me the schpill about how they spoke about the 12 gods of Cobol and the manifestations of the blonde cylon and Gaius in their counterparts' heads. It does not in any way bring the story full-circle. If you start with robots and spaceships - dammit, you fricking finish with robots and spaceships
Posted on 5/7/11 at 6:07 pm to Muppet
NBC screwed it up by cancelling the series and forcing them to hurry an ending, same as Caprica.
SYFY for crapping the bed on good 2 good series.
Posted on 5/7/11 at 6:12 pm to Uncle Stu
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that the mix of science and existential beings had better be introduced well before the last 2 episodes.
it was, angel 6 was there for the entire series
that doesn't make it less stupid, but she was there.
Posted on 5/7/11 at 6:26 pm to baytiger
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angel 6 was there for the entire series
I can't accept that
they created a framework - early on
spaceships
robots
laser guns
the human condition
underneath that framework, the "angel 6" is:
a psychopathic delusion
Gaius is a cylon
Gauis has been directly affected/manipulated by a cylon
something tangible, something "real" , something the viewer can accept as a variable that falls within the established "framework"
I cannot fricking stand it (exact same shite with LOST) when you establish a set of rules - yes even for Sci-Fi - and then throw in "some other plane of existence" at the very end that somehow is supposed to cover any and all bases for the previously unexplained.
"What about A, B, & C ???"
"Oh, that was a God thing - it's all powerful and shite, don't need to explain that"
"well, isn't that fricking convenient"
I can't escape the fact that it's some default cop-out for writers
Posted on 5/9/11 at 9:55 am to Uncle Stu
I thought the series was great and the ending didn't bother me at all. I was kinda shocked at the very end, but then I kinda chuckled and thought it was great.
Posted on 5/9/11 at 10:04 am to Uncle Stu
"If you introduce a gun in the first act, it must fire in the third act."
I'm sorry, but the people complaining about mysticism in BSG's final season must not have watched the first season. It was ALWAYS a mediation on God and religion. and just because some of the audience is too narrow-minded in their belief of what a sci-fi show should be, it should not be a demerit for the show. It never hid its religious agenda. In fact, some of the biggest episodes were all about accepting the will of God, as far back as the first episode.
It is deus ex machina if the God machine is itnroduced at the end, to save the day. but that is not what happened. the show's major theme was religion and faith. For the ending to focus on that theme not only makes sense, it is true to the themes of the show, explored over five seasons.
It was a sci fi show about religion. Deal with it.
I'm sorry, but the people complaining about mysticism in BSG's final season must not have watched the first season. It was ALWAYS a mediation on God and religion. and just because some of the audience is too narrow-minded in their belief of what a sci-fi show should be, it should not be a demerit for the show. It never hid its religious agenda. In fact, some of the biggest episodes were all about accepting the will of God, as far back as the first episode.
It is deus ex machina if the God machine is itnroduced at the end, to save the day. but that is not what happened. the show's major theme was religion and faith. For the ending to focus on that theme not only makes sense, it is true to the themes of the show, explored over five seasons.
It was a sci fi show about religion. Deal with it.
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