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re: How much improvisation takes place with movie scripts?
Posted on 11/13/23 at 3:49 pm to Honest Tune
Posted on 11/13/23 at 3:49 pm to Honest Tune
Adam Mckay or Judd Apatow directed movies? 75% improvised
Coen Brothers directed movies? 0.1% improvised
Coen Brothers directed movies? 0.1% improvised
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 3:55 pm to gumbo2176
crazy thing about the “I’m walking here!” was that it was a real cab just driving through the shoot and Hoffman just stayed in character since the car almost hit him.
Probably the most iconically recognized improv
Probably the most iconically recognized improv
Posted on 11/13/23 at 4:01 pm to supatigah
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Adam Mckay or Judd Apatow directed movies? 75% improvised Coen Brothers directed movies? 0.1% improvised
I can spot the difference in them too, haha.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 8:03 pm to athenslife101
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Depends on the director.
And sometimes the actor if it is a heavy weight like Marlon Brando in Apocalypse Now who was not prepared.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 8:19 pm to athenslife101
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Depends on the director.
This is the answer.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 8:33 pm to Honest Tune
Funny, I just watched a video related to this subject.
In ESB, when Leia tells Han "I love you", he was scripted to say, "Just remember that, 'cause I'll be back." Seems like a mouthful, in retrospect. Kershner wisely left in the "I know" improvisation.
Whereas, in Terminator, Arnold insisted the line would be better if the Terminator said, "I will be back." Arnold said James Cameron told him, "Don't tell me how to fricking write." And the rest is history.
In ESB, when Leia tells Han "I love you", he was scripted to say, "Just remember that, 'cause I'll be back." Seems like a mouthful, in retrospect. Kershner wisely left in the "I know" improvisation.
Whereas, in Terminator, Arnold insisted the line would be better if the Terminator said, "I will be back." Arnold said James Cameron told him, "Don't tell me how to fricking write." And the rest is history.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 8:50 pm to Honest Tune
Depends on the cast AND the director.
Deadpool had a lot of improvisation by Ryan Reynolds but doing so is in character. They had outtakes of him doing different insults to Gina Carano before settling on “less angry Rosie O’Donnell”, for instance.
Anchorman had WAY too much adlibbing, to the point where they made an alternate cut of the film mainly from discarded material called Wake Up Ron Burgundy.
Etc.
Deadpool had a lot of improvisation by Ryan Reynolds but doing so is in character. They had outtakes of him doing different insults to Gina Carano before settling on “less angry Rosie O’Donnell”, for instance.
Anchorman had WAY too much adlibbing, to the point where they made an alternate cut of the film mainly from discarded material called Wake Up Ron Burgundy.
Etc.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 8:53 pm to teke184
Oh, nearly forgot this one…
Men In Black 1 had most of the dialogue adlibbed by Tommy Lee Jones because he thought the script sucked.
It worked because he was the all knowing agent and Will Smith was the noob who didn’t know what to believe that came out of his mouth.
They had to fix a lot of the film in post production for other reasons but Jones’ deadpan delivery of wacky lines made the film.
Men In Black 1 had most of the dialogue adlibbed by Tommy Lee Jones because he thought the script sucked.
It worked because he was the all knowing agent and Will Smith was the noob who didn’t know what to believe that came out of his mouth.
They had to fix a lot of the film in post production for other reasons but Jones’ deadpan delivery of wacky lines made the film.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 8:59 pm to Honest Tune
Bill Murray supposedly improved most of his role as Big Ern in Kingpin. And it was a funny role to begin with.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 9:06 pm to AUFANATL
Of course. Seemed like that was Bill being Bill.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 11:49 pm to Honest Tune
most of the dialog is Christopher Guest’s movies was improvised (best in show, etc)
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:28 am to Honest Tune
"You talking to Me?'
DeNiro came up with this one in Taxi Driver
DeNiro came up with this one in Taxi Driver
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:00 am to cgrand
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most of the dialog is Christopher Guest’s movies was improvised (best in show, etc)
Which is the genius of all those types of movies. Give the actors room to make magic and they do.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:00 am to JackDempsey
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You talking to Me?' DeNiro came up with this one in Taxi Driver
And everyone knows that line. Classic.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:17 am to AUFANATL
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Bill Murray supposedly improved most of his role as Big Ern in Kingpin. And it was a funny role to begin with.
Lost in Translation too. The screenplay was very short and the part of Bob was written specifically with Murray in mind, with the expectation that he and Scarlett Johansson would fill in the gaps.
Great example of a writer/director foreseeing the need for some improv. Like others have said it really comes down to the writer and director.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:25 am to messyjesse
The Marx Brothers would effectively write “Harpo does something funny” in a lot of scripts then let him come up with whatever he is going to do for X minutes of screen time.
Robin Williams was given similar leeway on a lot of his works, ESPECIALLY in Aladdin. There’s supposed to be several hours of improv from that movie which have yet to see the light of day because of fights between him and Disney over the marketing of Aladdin. (IIRC, he took low pay as long as they didn’t market him in the film because Toys was coming out up against it. They ended up basing their marketing around him and royally pissed him off)
Robin Williams was given similar leeway on a lot of his works, ESPECIALLY in Aladdin. There’s supposed to be several hours of improv from that movie which have yet to see the light of day because of fights between him and Disney over the marketing of Aladdin. (IIRC, he took low pay as long as they didn’t market him in the film because Toys was coming out up against it. They ended up basing their marketing around him and royally pissed him off)
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:38 am to teke184
Speaking of… I saw something yesterday about Robin Williams screen test… they gave him ONE line to read, and he went into improvised Robin Williams mode for 13 minutes as genie before he ever got to the line haha.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:41 am to Honest Tune
Yeah, a lot of that with him.
Dana Carvey tells a story in the documentary Too Funny To Fail about going out for open mic night for his first comedy routine and getting completely intimidated by how good one of the other competitors was, wondering if he had the chops to be doing comedy because he felt so inferior to that guy.
That guy was Robin Williams.
Dana Carvey tells a story in the documentary Too Funny To Fail about going out for open mic night for his first comedy routine and getting completely intimidated by how good one of the other competitors was, wondering if he had the chops to be doing comedy because he felt so inferior to that guy.
That guy was Robin Williams.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 10:22 am to Honest Tune
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Use Life (Eddie/Martin) as an example… great movie, excellent cast, everything about it almost seems perfect.
The scene where they are older and standing on a crate of bottles as punishment for one of them stealing the pie, was written as a single shot with the camera just circling both actors speaking the lines. Martin's toe fell in one of the bottles and the rest was adlibbed, even their laughing at the line. They kept it in and didn't reshoot because it worked.
Youtube Link
Posted on 11/14/23 at 10:32 am to teke184
Hard to fathom the amount of creative energy that dude had.
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