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High Plains Drifter and Pale Rider

Posted on 5/18/20 at 7:50 am
Posted by Jimbeaux
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Posted on 5/18/20 at 7:50 am
High Plains Drifter (1973) - A Stranger rides into the corrupt mining town of Lago. After three tough guys harass him, he kills them rather easily. The three men had been hired by the town as protection from some other hitmen they had double crossed. The townspeople decided to hire the Stranger in place of the 3 tough guys. It all started, we find out, that the town had the local Marshal killed to silence him, because he discovered their mine was on federal property. The Stranger gets revenge on the whole town for the Marshall.

Pale Rider (1985) - A corrupt mining company is trying to push out some small time prospectors off of their claims with rough tactics, and kill a girl’s dog. She prays and along comes a rider who has a preacher’s collar and scars from 6 bullet holes in his back. He is metaphorically the Pale Rider (Death on a pale horse from the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse in Revelation), but that’s never explicitly stated. The company hires gunfighters, who are corrupt former marshals, and they think they recognize the Preacher as a dude they shot and killed previously.

In both movies, Clint Eastwood exacts revenge and then rides off without anyone really knowing anything about him, including his name (he has other movies where he has no name).

Which movie did you enjoy more?

In which movie was the main character more obviously a ghost?

To me, the titles should be switched. I think The Stranger from High Plains Drifter is more like the 4th horseman of the apocalypse, “Death, with Hell coming after”. He even paints the town red and paints the word “Hell” on the town sign marker.

I always assumed that the Preacher in Pale Rider had only been previously wounded and assumed to be dead. He never seemed like a ghost to me. I always took the movie to be more like a re-telling of the movie Shane.

BTW, I love both movies!
This post was edited on 5/18/20 at 7:20 pm
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
51583 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 8:05 am to
In High Plains Mordicai says he never knew his name and Clint replies; "Yes you do."

Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
20255 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 8:11 am to
Exactly. It’s a very clear indication that the Stranger is the ghost of the dead Marshal.
Posted by WPBTiger
Parts Unknown
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 5/18/20 at 8:11 am to
quote:

Which movie did you enjoy more?


Pale Rider

quote:

In which movie was the main character more obviously a ghost?


I never figured the main character was a ghost in either movie.

quote:

BTW, I love both movies!
This post was edited on 5/18/20 at 8:13 am
Posted by AUriptide
Member since Aug 2009
7381 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 8:38 am to
High Plains Drifter.

"Who are you!"
Posted by rebelrouser
Columbia, SC
Member since Feb 2013
10956 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 8:40 am to
quote:

Which movie did you enjoy more?

In which movie was the main character more obviously a ghost?


Answer to both is HPD.
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
39480 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 8:44 am to
Yes and then it cuts to a shot of the Marshall's tombstone.
Posted by alajones
Huntsvegas
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Posted on 5/18/20 at 9:01 am to
I’ve only seen HPD once and assumed he was a ghost and exacts vengeance on the town leaders in an ironic manner. It has flashbacks that seem to reinforce my take. The Ex cons he kills at the end were the ones hired to kill him originally.

Pale Rider I’ve seen numerous times and it is a masterpiece of cinematography and just a fine western 15 years after the western genre really ended its peak run.

I think I read somewhere that in 1967 westerns made up like 18% of TV and the big screen. Societal changes among other things led to the decline of the genre throughout the early 70’s.
This post was edited on 5/18/20 at 9:03 am
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 5/18/20 at 9:06 am to
quote:

Pale Rider



Rewatched this yesterday. It was clear that the hired Marshal at the end of the movie recognized the preacher. While it isn't clear if he is a ghost or someone who the Marshal presumed to be dead, the Marshal clearly says "You!" several times. I don't remember there being any background details given like in High Plains Drifter which made it pretty clear that it was the ghost come back for revenge.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 9:29 am to
Both.....and Outlaw Josey Wales.....and .....and.....
Posted by Master of Sinanju
Member since Feb 2012
11398 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 9:46 am to
Clint is most obviously a ghost in HPD. Although wikipidea quotes Eastwood as saying his character is a ghost in Pale Rider also.

Love both, but I guess I'd pick HPD right now.
Posted by LSUPERMAN
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2007
2543 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 10:20 am to
quote:

In which movie was the main character more obviously a ghost?


Did he not disappear at the end of HPD? I guess people are assuming he just rode out of eyesight. I always thought he disappeared because he was done with what he came back for.
Posted by Thurber
NWLA
Member since Aug 2013
15402 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 11:00 am to
High Plains Drifter for me. But it’s been a long time since I’ve watched Pale Rider. Probably could stand to watch it again
Posted by udtiger
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Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 5/18/20 at 11:36 am to
Sydney Penny (Megan Wheeler) grew up nice...





Posted by L1C4
The Ville
Member since Aug 2017
13603 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 12:15 pm to
Mordicai ask:"what did you say you name is?"

Stranger replied:"I didn't."
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
48769 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 12:31 pm to
I saw High Plains Drifter first and loved that, if I had seen the other first probably would be that one.
Posted by cattus
Member since Jan 2009
13541 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 2:38 pm to
HPD. Just something about it.

"you’re going to look awfully silly with that knife sticking up your arse.”
Posted by Plague on Wheels
Member since May 2020
168 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 2:48 pm to
Was that about the extent of cursing that any of these movies had?

Kind of strange considering what even TV shows get away with today.
Posted by ksdolfan
Houma, La.
Member since Sep 2007
1558 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 3:16 pm to
Are these movies streaming anywhere to watch?
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
20255 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 7:22 pm to
They show up on cable pretty frequently. I think there’s a western channel that I got through my Roku which shows commercials but doesn’t cost anything. I’d bet they have them.
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