hey sorta started watching jack ryan on prime

They made Jim Greer a fricking Muslim

I still enjoyed it but they woked it up

Not that Clancy would have cared

They changed the terrorists in The Sum of All Fears from crazy muslims to eastern europeans and asked Clancy if he was OK with that change. He basically said “i dont care, they paid me a lot of money.”

I enjoyed S1 and S2, don’t remember anything from the latter seasons

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Having read most of the Clancy books, regarding Jack Ryan, and seen the movies, I didn't care for the Amazon version one bit. Nothing against Krasinski at all, like him well enough, but nothing about the show felt familiar.
I mean, I did give it a try. And having liked the different actors portraying Ryan, (Baldwin, Ford, Affleck) , I don't have the issue of "Well, its' Harrison Ford or it's not REALLY Jack Ryan!".

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Honest response, specifically to you, Kaiju:

I generally try to avoid looking for political messages in movies and shows, which I think you go overboard on. That being said, Jack Ryan season 2 is Exhibit A to justify your complaints. That went completely woke agenda. That's the season where you had Ryan dealing with the Fascist Right-wing government of ... Venezuela, which needed to be overthrown by a leftist movement. And which was accomplished in part with the assistance and influence of the Cable News network
Because of course, banana republic dictators care what news anchors think. As I recall, that's what prompted El Presidente to honor the claims of election tampering and step down, but not before Ryan raided their version of the White House and punch him in the face.

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I never saw Chris Pine in Shadow Recruit. Anyone catch it? I've not heard anything about it.

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I saw it, wasn't bad. Kinda generic spy thriller. If you haven't seen it, it's worth a casual watch.

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As I recall, that's what prompted El Presidente to honor the claims of election tampering and step down, but not before Ryan raided their version of the White House and punch him in the face.

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Tom Clancy couldn't have written it any better.

So, they did the literal 'punch a Nazi / Fascist in the face' bit?

So subtle.


I only go hard on these folks because they insist on lecturing us about The Message, time and time again.

But thanks

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So, they did the literal 'punch a Nazi / Fascist in the face' bit?

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Yep. Raided the Presidential Palace, and punched the fascist president in the face, in his version of the Oval Office.
This was 2019, prior to covid.

But that's really only part of the issue...

Every facet of that season was diametrically the opposite of what Clancy did as a writer.

Venezuela is a Communist, Far Left country. Up there with Cuba as being the most Leftist in the Western Hemisphere. No way in hell Clancy would flip the political leanings of a nation in his books, because that instantly breaks from reality- his baseline premise to start every tale.
No reason to do so... except the obvious propaganda reason.

Beyond that, he had them kill a US congressman, I think a senator. And although it was "strongly suspected", there was a link or 2 missing to prevent 100% confirmation, ... so the US did nothing. And if I remember, it wasn't even an opposition senator.
You and I both know in reality, if Venezuela had a congressman killed and we felt pretty sure we knew they did it, that little country would be having A VERY BAD DAY, very quickly. That's not even up for rational discussion.

Then, the concept that a military strongman dictator who ruled his country with an iron fist would concede the election because CNN covered exit polls... again so out of touch, you can't suspend disbelief. Dictators don't care about "elections", because they win by whatever margin they decided they would. It's usually unanimous, and anyone who denies that is a terrorist attempting to cause insurrection and shall be shot. Oh, and frick CNN (or any other news agency), they just ban their presence and call it outside interference.

Clancy would have deleted all those fantasies, and written something based on the reality of the day.

i know they are supposed to be different, but i much prefer the terminal list.

S1 was pretty good. S2 was terrible. Did it go on after that? I didn’t watch further and I’m a huge Clancy fan.

This was mediocre at best. Then, it became terrible.