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re: GoT S7 E4 "The Spoils of War" MAESTERS Thread
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:10 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:10 pm to Ace Midnight
I agree that Tyrion is the most likely. Doesn't necessarily mean he's a Targ of course.
But after last week, I'm wondering if Tyrion would unleash dragon fire on anyone even if he was a rider. Maybe on the Night's King and his army.
But after last week, I'm wondering if Tyrion would unleash dragon fire on anyone even if he was a rider. Maybe on the Night's King and his army.
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Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:12 pm to Methuselah
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Doesn't necessarily mean he's a Targ of course.
I think Martin confirmed this somewhere, too (that Targ blood not a requirement - whether he was responding to R+L=J, or A+J=T or just generally, I can't say). At least used weasel words like "not necessarily."
Take it FWIW.
This post was edited on 8/10/17 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:30 pm to Ace Midnight
Music during Jon & Dany's scenes together
Anyone else think the song that starts at 2:25 thinks it sounds a lot like the Drogo-Dany and Ygritte-Jon themes mashed together?? I actually dig the song a lot.
Anyone else think the song that starts at 2:25 thinks it sounds a lot like the Drogo-Dany and Ygritte-Jon themes mashed together?? I actually dig the song a lot.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:40 pm to Methuselah
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Jon is Azor Ahai. None of the rest matters.
I find it interesting that The Dragon has Three Heads and there are three prophesies heralding the coming of legendary heros: Azor Ahai, the Prince that was Promised, and the Last Hero.
A Legendary Hero from the North, one from the South, and one from Essos.
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So, who are the 3 heads of the dragon? Danny? Jon? Who else?
Rheagar names Aegon, and then looks at Dany and speaks to her as if she were the second. I think we can all agree Jon is the third - remember at this time in the books, Jon is still a big secret that most have not figured out.
If Aegon turns out to be a red herring, then Bran seems most likely, but a good case can be made for Tyrion.
I think the show has dropped the 3 Heads of the Dragon completely (while coincidentally also dropping Aegon
). Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:43 pm to jrodLSUke
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quote:He is speaking to a woman who is nursing a newborn babe, telling her that the child's name should be Aegon and saying that "What better name for a king?". The woman asks him if he will make a song for the child, and he replies that he has a song and that "He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire.". He appears to look at Dany then, as if seeing her, and then he adds that "There must be one more," and "The dragon has three heads.".
Going back to the original of that passage in the books - that was back when GRRM was pretty much writing poetry in prose. Especially in the visions - this one and Ned's fever dreams and things like that. It's a fricken' pity he seems to have totally lost his way so badly.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:58 pm to Methuselah
GRRM stopped doing these as frequently, which is a shame.
But I did come across a good one in Dance that seems to foreshadow the battle in The Spoils of War.
Tyrion has this dream while traveling to find Dany in Meeren:
Two heads - one representing Lannister, the other Targaryen.
His father lead the enemy - how many times has Cercei been called her Father's daughter?
Jaime falls on the field of battle. And the second head was weeping.
But I did come across a good one in Dance that seems to foreshadow the battle in The Spoils of War.
Tyrion has this dream while traveling to find Dany in Meeren:
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That night Tyrion Lannister dreamed of a battle that turned the hills of Westeros as red as blood. He was in the midst of it, dealing death with an axe as big as he was, fighting side by side with Barristan the Bold and Bittersteel as dragons wheeled across the sky above them. In the dream he had two heads, both noseless. His father led the enemy, so he slew him once again. Then he killed his brother Jaime, hacking at his face until it was a red ruin, laughing every time he struck a blow. Only when the fight was finished did he realise that his second head was weeping.
Two heads - one representing Lannister, the other Targaryen.
His father lead the enemy - how many times has Cercei been called her Father's daughter?
Jaime falls on the field of battle. And the second head was weeping.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:59 pm to Methuselah
I'm really hoping in the scene where Drogon and Dany land in front of Jon, Rhaegal lands in front of Jon in a protective action. Rhaegal named after Rhaegar would be the likely dragon of Rhaegar's son. There are what... 10 total episodes left? Enough of the conjecture, it's time to start spelling some shite out.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:14 pm to jrodLSUke
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I think the show has dropped the 3 Heads of the Dragon completely (while coincidentally also dropping Aegon ).
Mostly agree. I mean, Tyrion has the dragon dreams in the novels and that seems to have been acknowledged by his "friendly" initial encounter (relatively speaking) with the dragon (contrast that to the comparable scene in the novels with Quentyn Martell) in the show, but that's about it.
But, the show seems to have dropped mention of the Red Door/Lemon tree (maybe that was a Martin inside joke for Trini Lopez?) and 3 head visions that seem to permeate the Dany chapters.
This post was edited on 8/10/17 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:28 pm to OMLandshark
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Recreating GoT's Dragon Battle
THAT was really an exceptional piece of clip making! - To sync those separate clips from all those movies to flow together with "Loot Train" was impressive in and of itself, but to identify each and be so frigging on-point with each piece just adds layers of awesomeness.
I could've done with more Hobbit and less Eregon is my only gripe...speaking of that shitty adaptation: Shame, Clang-fricking-clang, shame.
Oh, and Drogon was much more convincing in his fall than Smaug. The long distance/ ground level POV of the plummet was a MUCH better decision than Smaug's close-up. -He was really over-the-top in his death throws.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:30 pm to Mr. Wayne
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I'm really hoping in the scene where Drogon and Dany land in front of Jon, Rhaegal lands in front of Jon in a protective action.
That would be pretty cool.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:30 pm to Mr. Wayne
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I'm really hoping in the scene where Drogon and Dany land in front of Jon, Rhaegal lands in front of Jon in a protective action. Rhaegal named after Rhaegar would be the likely dragon of Rhaegar's son.
But Rhaegal is green and bronze. Wouldn't Jon Snow's dragon be the white one? #RacistAF
Of course Viserion is cream and gold - and is the smallest of the three, so could be Tyrion's after all.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:36 pm to Mr. Wayne
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I'm really hoping in the scene where Drogon and Dany land in front of Jon, Rhaegal lands in front of Jon in a protective action.
That's what I was thinking as well. That would be much better than Drogon just sniffing him all friendly like, like a dog.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:53 pm to jrodLSUke
quote:Is this even mentioned in the show? I can't remember.
The Dragon has Three Heads
Posted on 8/10/17 at 3:14 pm to blueboy
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Is this even mentioned in the show?
I'm pretty sure it's not. There's no way they don't kill at least one dragon (CGI being hard and expensive) and might be before it has a rider.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 3:15 pm to jrodLSUke
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Two heads - one representing Lannister, the other Targaryen.
I like the excerpt - since Tyrion is more or less the composite of him and Selmy now - that makes sense. Bittersteel implies that the Golden Company declares for Dany (further implying things don't go well for Cersei and the Iron Bank dude).
But, Cersei wasn't physically present at the battle - Jaime and Tarly led the Lannister army. In the show, Tyrion was an observer, not a participant as he had been before in earlier battles. The other imagery seems spot on. So, the rest is largely symbolic. And we can't assume that either Bronn or Jaime is dead until we know, right?
This post was edited on 8/10/17 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 8/10/17 at 3:28 pm to cgrand
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other than he probably wouldnt be able to hang on, being a midget and all
he's good at special saddle designs for midgets and cripples...try to keep up
Posted on 8/10/17 at 3:37 pm to jrodLSUke
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But would Jon accept it? Would Jon agree to be legitimized as a Targaryen? He has already declined this offer once, when Stannis offered to make Jon a Stark.
His life was pledged to the Night's Watch at the time, and that would have made him an oathbreaker. Not even remotely the same context anymore.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 3:38 pm to Ace Midnight
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Wouldn't Jon Snow's dragon be the white one?
Jon Snow yes. Jon Targaryen... Honestly the dragons are difficult as hell to match off of appearance. Drogon obviously fits Dany as he is black and red. Viserion make sense for Tyrion, Rhaegal is said to be "dark green, the green of moss in the deep woods at dusk, just before the light fades, and they gleam like jade". I don't think anyone from the Reach is going to claim him.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 3:57 pm to 1BamaRTR
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There's no way they don't kill at least one dragon (CGI being hard and expensive) and might be before it has a rider.
i really hope they dont spring "the scorpion bolt was poisoned!" after the fact...they easily could have revealed that earlier
Posted on 8/10/17 at 4:00 pm to udtiger
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I'm really hoping in the scene where Drogon and Dany land in front of Jon, Rhaegal lands in front of Jon in a protective action.
That would be incredibly gay.
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