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re: GoT S03E10 "Mhysa" NON BOOK READERS ONLY PLEASE. NO SPOILERS!!
Posted on 6/10/13 at 11:58 am to CocomoLSU
Posted on 6/10/13 at 11:58 am to CocomoLSU
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I'm still wondering if she realizes what jorah did to get booted from Westeros (selling slaves).
A good bit of what he's done since is penance. I can't imagine it hasn't come up yet. She's definitely a "redeeming" force for Jorah and Barriston.
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Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:00 pm to TDTGodfather
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king's landing was going to be sacked by dull effing stannis if it wasn't for wyldfire. wars are being won with deceit and penstrokes. but dragons just cancel everything else out. they're a damned cheat code. sure it may happen, but something tells me it's not happening soon. this season kind of made that apparent for me.
Good points, and I agree. I wouldn't be surprised if the dragons/Dany get sidetracked with WWs and Westeros gets put on the backburner. If fire is gonna end up being so important (because of the WWs), then Westeros may not be the main goal. And shite, we've already seen several people start to shift focus on the Wall as opposed to the iron throne. More will follow once the rest of those letters from Maester Aemon get out. The need for human survival will trump the throne eventually. That's when I figure bran will swoop down all Neverending Story on a dragon and smoke the WWs.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:01 pm to Ace Midnight
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A good bit of what he's done since is penance. I can't imagine it hasn't come up yet. She's definitely a "redeeming" force for Jorah and Barriston.
There was something that Ser Barriston told Jorah earlier this season about how his secrets will come to light to Dany at some point. Didn't something like that happen?
Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:02 pm to TDTGodfather
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but dragons just cancel everything else out. they're a damned cheat code
Great comparison
I find all of this Dany slave compassion to be a weakness, which will ultimately lead to her undoing.
If the first 3 seasons have taught us anything, doing things for other people is not related to living a long life.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:04 pm to CocomoLSU
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If fire is gonna end up being so important (because of the WWs), then Westeros may not be the main goal.
The threat may cause all the petty differnences to be but aside while the WW threat is dealt with - as that may take much of the coming long winter, the dragons have time to grow up, Bran has time to grow up - the Watch will have to be reorganized, etc. The long winter itself will likely be a bleak (and ASOIAF is pretty bleak, generally, to begin with), dystopic struggle just to survive. The various factions have been expending resources fighting each other, rather than prepare for the coming winter.
There is so much material available not directly tied to the "Game of Thrones" - the current phase of which is winding down - people who watched the first episode may be looking at only 3 or 4 characters by the end of winter.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:05 pm to CocomoLSU
I could be wrong, but I seem to remember Jorah admitting that he had sold slaves in a conversation from one of the earlier seasons.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:06 pm to Billy Mays
Totally disagree.
Nothing Dany does is actually that good for anyone. She just fools herself into thinking it is. For example, does she even have any dothraki left? Seems she led "her people" to their deaths for her own gain, all the while dressing it up in some garbage.
Same with the slaves. "You are free...to serve me." It's a clever move because it makes her own army more effective (the illusion of freedom makes a better soldier) and it makes it easier to undermine the slaver cities from within.
If anything will be her downfall, it's not going to be her altruism but rather the illusion she has about herself that she is altruistic.
Nothing Dany does is actually that good for anyone. She just fools herself into thinking it is. For example, does she even have any dothraki left? Seems she led "her people" to their deaths for her own gain, all the while dressing it up in some garbage.
Same with the slaves. "You are free...to serve me." It's a clever move because it makes her own army more effective (the illusion of freedom makes a better soldier) and it makes it easier to undermine the slaver cities from within.
If anything will be her downfall, it's not going to be her altruism but rather the illusion she has about herself that she is altruistic.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:06 pm to Mullen3:16
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I could be wrong, but I seem to remember Jorah admitting that he had sold slaves in a conversation from one of the earlier seasons.
I thought so, too - I thought he gave some brief explanation as to how he came to be in their service.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:09 pm to Bayou Sam
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If anything will be her downfall, it's not going to be her altruism but rather the illusion she has about herself that she is altruistic.
I don't know. She very well could have changed, but she legitimately was pissed when Drogo and her dothraki started taking slaves.
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For example, does she even have any dothraki left?
I was wondering the same thing. They kind of just disappeared after arriving in the city where she got her army.
ETA: It will be interesting if Dany gets to a city full of slaves that end up saying "No thanks, we're slaves but we get food, shelter, and aren't badly treated. We'd rather not risk our lives."
This post was edited on 6/10/13 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:10 pm to Bayou Sam
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Nothing Dany does is actually that good for anyone
You sure about that? The show makes her look like goddamn Abraham Lincoln... the chanting hordes last night seemed pretty happy about her liberation.
Hot assistant/former slave Messandi is definitely better off now (even tho we are worse off bc she's more covered up since her liberation)
This post was edited on 6/10/13 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:14 pm to Billy Mays
Yeah I was exaggerating. Surely they are better off in some sense. But she is still an absolute ruler over all of these "former" slaves, who are now "free" only at some ideological level.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:18 pm to Bayou Sam
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But she is still an absolute ruler over all of these "former" slaves, who are now "free" only at some ideological level.
I agree that could be the case - I'm not sure how invested she is in the logistics of being their "mother"
My original thought is that all of this Dany altruism and compassion will not work in Westeros. Westeros eats that shite for breakfast. Power is the only thing that matters there.
This post was edited on 6/10/13 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:18 pm to Billy Mays
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You sure about that? The show makes her look like goddamn Abraham Lincoln... the chanting hordes last night seemed pretty happy about her liberation.
But the way the show (and books?) portrays her would make it much more interesting in the event that she attempts to free a city's slaves, they say no thanks, and then she "frees" them by force.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:18 pm to Bayou Sam
Forgot to mention this earlier, but I think watching Arya see Robb's headless body being brought out and mocked was the saddest I've ever felt watching this show.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:21 pm to THRILLHO
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But the way the show (and books?) portrays her would make it much more interesting in the event that she attempts to free a city's slaves, they say no thanks, and then she "frees" them by force.
It's almost like she has to force the liberation to get them out of their "once a slave, always a slave" mindset.
The slaves don't know any better, they are like children (ala the "mysha/mother" motif).
Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:25 pm to Bayou Sam
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Nothing Dany does is actually that good for anyone. She just fools herself into thinking it is. For example, does she even have any dothraki left? Seems she led "her people" to their deaths for her own gain, all the while dressing it up in some garbage.
Same with the slaves. "You are free...to serve me." It's a clever move because it makes her own army more effective (the illusion of freedom makes a better soldier) and it makes it easier to undermine the slaver cities from within.
Yeah, we talked about that a couple weeks ago. Her "freeing" people doesn't really mean anything when she turns right around and basically makes them follow her. Sure, it's their own freewilled choice, but it's either follow her or stay behind in a city left in ruin. While people are choosing her, it's usually either just the better option than the alternative, or they're scared shitless of live, actual dragons and the chick who can control them at will.
It's like the "voluntary" workouts for the LSU football team...ask some of the players just how voluntary those are.
Also, even though I'm in "I just assume everybody dies" mode, hopefully GRRM doesn't kill off Dany, or certainly not any time soon...there has been an awful lot of buildup for something like that to happen and there be no payoff. I think that's one thing I didn't like about Robb dying...I wanted him to get to battle like we've seen him talk about forever.
This post was edited on 6/10/13 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:27 pm to Billy Mays
When Joffrey dies, who has the next right to the throne? If he marries the cute new girl from another land, does she assume the throne as queen?
Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:30 pm to Cap Crunch
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Forgot to mention this earlier, but I think watching Arya see Robb's headless body being brought out and mocked was the saddest I've ever felt watching this show.
The beheading of the Starks and their wolves is becoming a motif - Ned beheaded Lady (at least I believe - it was consistent with the way he killed the runaway crow), Arya watched Ned be beheaded on Joffrey's orders, Robb and Grey Wind beheaded, post-mortem - (Arya didn't see Robb killed, but she did see Grey Wind executed) and fused - which Arya also witnessed.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:30 pm to lynxcat
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When Joffrey dies, who has the next right to the throne? If he marries the cute new girl from another land, does she assume the throne as queen?
I believe the queen takes over until Joffrey's younger brother (REMEMBER HIM??) is old enough.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:30 pm to lynxcat
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When Joffrey dies, who has the next right to the throne?
He's got a sister that Tyrion sent off right? Wouldn't it be her?
If not, then probably Hodor.
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