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re: GoT "Middle Ground" Thread - Between Seasons Edition ***Spoilers Possible***

Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:47 am to
Posted by Bamatab
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Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:47 am to
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You may be thinking of Greywind and Robb, but it's been a long time since I read. Bottom line: ALWAYS PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR DIREWOLF!!!

I went back and wikied it to refresh my memory, and Ghost did sense the betrayal (just like Greywind did), and Jon locked him up in his quarters. Jon thought he was being agitated by the giant boar that was there.

So yeah, when the direwolf starts freaking out, you best start watching your back.
This post was edited on 6/16/15 at 9:58 am
Posted by TigerintheNO
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:47 am to
PsychTiger, since it is highly unlikely it will happen on the show, Jon's dead, is it ok to post the 'Bastard Letter', since that is what ultimately led to Jon's death?
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:49 am to
Go for it, I don't care anymore. I consider us all Hodors now.
Posted by Fearthehat0307
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:51 am to
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Jon's dead
or is he?
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
44883 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:51 am to
Bastard-

Your false king is dead, bastard. He and all his host were smashed in seven days of battle. I have his magic sword. Tell his red whore.
Your false king's friends are dead. Their heads upon the walls of Winterfell. Come see them, bastard. Your false king lied, and so did you. You told the world you burned the King-Beyond-the-Wall. Instead you sent him to Winterfell to steal my bride from me.

I will have my bride back. If you want Mance Rayder back, come and get him. I have him in a cage for all the north to see, proof of your lies. The cage is cold, but I have made him a warm cloak from the skins of the six whores who came with him to Winterfell.

I want my bride back. I want the false king's queen. I want his daughter and his red witch. I want this wildling princess. I want his little prince, the wildling babe. And I want my Reek. Send them to me, bastard, and I will not trouble you or your black crows. Keep them from me, and I will cut out your bastard's heart and eat it.

Ramsay Bolton, Trueborn Lord of Winterfell.


Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:52 am to
Btw there's a bunch of theories as to who actually wrote the letter
Posted by Fearthehat0307
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2007
65256 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:54 am to
quote:

Bastard-

Your false king is dead, bastard. He and all his host were smashed in seven days of battle. I have his magic sword. Tell his red whore.
Your false king's friends are dead. Their heads upon the walls of Winterfell. Come see them, bastard. Your false king lied, and so did you. You told the world you burned the King-Beyond-the-Wall. Instead you sent him to Winterfell to steal my bride from me.

I will have my bride back. If you want Mance Rayder back, come and get him. I have him in a cage for all the north to see, proof of your lies. The cage is cold, but I have made him a warm cloak from the skins of the six whores who came with him to Winterfell.

I want my bride back. I want the false king's queen. I want his daughter and his red witch. I want this wildling princess. I want his little prince, the wildling babe. And I want my Reek. Send them to me, bastard, and I will not trouble you or your black crows. Keep them from me, and I will cut out your bastard's heart and eat it.

Ramsay Bolton, Trueborn Lord of Winterfell.

Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116164 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:55 am to
Again, a lot of people don't think Ramsey actually wrote that
Posted by Mizzou to my Lou
Miami
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:56 am to
So what's the theory with the letter, that it wasn't written by Ramsey?

And who are the wilding princess and prince? Mance's children?
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
109184 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:56 am to
Really illustrates how different the show and books are now.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
44883 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:56 am to
quote:

Btw there's a bunch of theories as to who actually wrote the letter


way too many errors for Ramsay to have written the letter
This post was edited on 6/16/15 at 10:03 am
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
44883 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:57 am to
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And who are the wilding princess and prince? Mance's children?


Mance's wife and child
Posted by Fearthehat0307
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2007
65256 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:57 am to
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Again, a lot of people don't think Ramsey actually wrote that
the amount of people who misspell RAMSAY is alarming and troubling. I thought y'all were maesters
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116164 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:58 am to
Yeah, Mance ain't dead in the books

Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116164 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:58 am to
I never claimed to be a Maester
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
109184 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:59 am to
They try to diminish his greatness by misspelling his name.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116164 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:59 am to
Also "his bride" isn't Sansa

It's Jeyne Poole pretending to be Arya Stark
Posted by Bamatab
Member since Jan 2013
16253 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 10:06 am to
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quote:

And who are the wilding princess and prince? Mance's children?



Mance's wife and child


He is talking about Mance's son as being the prince, but his wife died give birth to him. The Wildling princess he is referring to I believe is Val (who obviously isn't on the show), his wife's sister.
This post was edited on 6/16/15 at 10:07 am
Posted by Wanderin Reb
Gallifrey
Member since Jun 2013
10738 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 10:06 am to
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Also "his bride" isn't Sansa

It's Jeyne Poole pretending to be Arya Stark


Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
44883 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 10:14 am to
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but his wife died give birth to him


All of the most important characters mother's died while giving birth to them- Jon, Tyrion, Daenerys
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